@neauoire Now that I'm doing tech documentation work it's so funny to see how you're applying similar principles but to a much more worthwhile form of knowledge sharing

@aramloosman @alcinnz @riveck My point is that "sustainable" has a meaning. It implies that the production of the ecology keeps up with the demand.

Depending on the repairs the extraction could outstrip the ecology. It might require a non-renewable resource, it might require too much of a resource, etc.

Confused about the thoughts part. "Thoughts are sustainable" isn't what is written on the poster.

@riveck Repair is not always sustainable. Some repairs require new resources and extraction

@alcinnz @riveck True, but it's inaccurate to say "Repair is sustainable" in a blanket sense

@neauoire beautiful! Also you're sewing machine looks really lovely. Can you use it out at sea on batteries?

I didn't know that thing was called a dodger. I wonder why?

Statistically you've known more people who have died while breathing in oxygen than any other substance.

It's important to take this into account the next time you consider whether you're going to have some air or not.

@mike lol ok, bye

My doctor asked me to eat eggs to see if it makes me feel better, so I found a neighbor who raises no-kill chickens as pets and arranged to buy a few eggs every week.

Let's see how I feel in a few months.

@mike to have me explore my health and nutrition following a scientific process rather than the opinions of strangers from the Internet :)

@iooioio @neauoire discipline and consistency can lead to wonders

@neauoire how long did this take you?

@clacke how much egg / dairy do you consume?

@milofultz @clacke @megabyteGhost I was also thinking more base elements like supplementation. Most b12 and nutritional yeast gets shipped all the way from China.

In terms of direct energy cost it may be low but secondary and tertiary costs of set up and distribution it seems to be high.

Higher than factory farming? No way. But that's also the reason fake meat looks friendly by comparison.

Higher than fishing in a river near where you live? I don't know. I'm doing research.

@milofultz @clacke @megabyteGhost also I'm allergic to soy. Turns out not eating soy makes eating a full RDA diet while vegan a bit more complicated. Not insurmountable, but perhaps more costly energy wise depending on where I live.

@milofultz @clacke @megabyteGhost my general thesis is that my heuristics of "cause the least amount of suffering" and "eat the healthiest diet possible" require a lot more research than I have done, I think. I've been ignoring the more complex and difficult costs to calculate

@megabyteGhost it really pains me to think about this because it makes me worry we will never find a way out of our species level problems when even a space like this one cannot be safe

@megabyteGhost the response I got yesterday suggests this is probably not a safe community to do that in, at least then it comes to thoughts or ideas that are out of step with the group

@milofultz @megabyteGhost the irony in this situation is that I have a creeping concern than veganism is, itself, a kind of techno-solutionism (although a somewhat stealth one)

@milofultz @megabyteGhost I think that's a fair way to approach these things. I am definitely more reacting to interpersonal dynamics with specific people than any stated ruleset.

@freedcreative I appreciate your vehement and verbose perspective on this.

I probably should have added at the top the person in question only eats animals they personally fish or hunt. Only eat eggs from hens they raise.

There were lots of assumptions in your post about the classical version of who this person might be. Fair, assumptions, mind, but I figured I'd add that context.