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1. riveck (riveck@ioc.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 03-May-2022 14:12:30 UTC riveck

   #RightToRepair will become an absolute necessity in the near future. Having all the supply chain completely fucked up and prices all over increasing like never before, people will need to learn how to do stuff themselves instead of pulling a credit card.

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   • Aram Loosman (aramloosman@tooting.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 03-May-2022 14:12:47 UTC Aram Loosman

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     @dualhammers @alcinnz @riveck No, that's not inaccurate. Of course there is new material in the picture when repairing, even if it is only a screw, glue or gas for welding. That is not the point. Also if something is completely destroyed it might not be feasible to repair (i.E. a broken chassis on a car which has to pass inspection), but still the thought of repairing FIRST is sustainable. Let's not divert energy from the topic here.

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   • 💀 (dualhammers@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 03-May-2022 14:12:48 UTC 💀

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     @alcinnz @riveck True, but it's inaccurate to say "Repair is sustainable" in a blanket sense

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     @dualhammers @riveck In which cases it's *usually* still a win to manufacture just the broken component rather than re-manufacturer the whole device... Assuming ofcourse those are the two options, which yes is a dangerous assumption.

   • 💀 (dualhammers@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 03-May-2022 14:12:50 UTC 💀

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     @riveck Repair is not always sustainable. Some repairs require new resources and extraction

   • Aram Loosman (aramloosman@tooting.ch)'s status on Tuesday, 03-May-2022 14:13:25 UTC Aram Loosman

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     @dualhammers @alcinnz @riveck Okay, this might be a language barrier thing. I understood it as "To repair (instead of buy the same thing anew) is sustainable".
     Of course this is not true for every product in every state. A broken coal power plant should be dismanteled and be replaced by a more sustainable method of power generation.
     This is what I meant with the thought of repairing stuff. It *should* be an option, you *should* consider it, you *should* be able/allowed to do it.

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   • 💀 (dualhammers@merveilles.town)'s status on Tuesday, 03-May-2022 14:13:26 UTC 💀

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     @aramloosman @alcinnz @riveck My point is that "sustainable" has a meaning. It implies that the production of the ecology keeps up with the demand.

     Depending on the repairs the extraction could outstrip the ecology. It might require a non-renewable resource, it might require too much of a resource, etc.

     Confused about the thoughts part. "Thoughts are sustainable" isn't what is written on the poster.

   • mathew ✅ (mathew@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-May-2022 14:14:02 UTC mathew ✅

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     @aramloosman @dualhammers @alcinnz @riveck Gets tricky with old computer hardware too, once you factor in energy consumption, where you get your electricity from, plus heat output and how that affects your HVAC bills.

     Sure, you can repair a PDP-11 and run Unix on it, but at 2kW or more plus cooling costs how long would it take before the emissions impact exceeded that of a new Raspberry Pi running on 6W or less?

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 03-May-2022 14:14:36 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @aligyie @alcinnz @dualhammers @aramloosman @riveck Do the Repair A and Repair B scenarios mean you make these repairs so extend the device's life to 5 years, so the per-year impact for those is also over 5 years?
   • nieebel (aligyie@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-May-2022 14:14:37 UTC nieebel

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     @dualhammers @aramloosman @alcinnz @riveck

     Just throwing some numbers in the round:

     https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Fairphone_3_LCA.pdf