@clacke @sean in fact they did the somewhat unusual move of delaying the last episode recorded for season 4 so that it became the last of the series, as originally intended, so season 5 is essentially squeezed in between the second two episodes of the "main arch".

@clacke this is like the Rutabaga story backwards.

@oreolek I think I see how they got it in, but how would you get it out again?

@clacke I just feel like this keeps the main deficit of Ansible which is you get the whole issue if distributing Python in the bargain.

@clacke another thing I feel is missing in the exiting UI for e.g. Camunda is testing.

I'd like to be able to put in some variables, click "run", and see a visualization of what happens, without having to first deploy and trigger a process somehow. Ideally it should automatically ask for all the external preconditions, rather than call anything external.

This would also require that when you create plugins with new tasks types, you'd effectively also need to implement mocks for them.

@clacke maybe this would still be possible in the JVM world, if you made a compiler from BPMN/DMN into a Java bytecode program?

@clacke yup, it would be neat with something like Racket (but fast), that supported BPMN/DMN files as a "lang".

@clacke PS. Same applies to other BPMS systems in the same way. For a BPMS, Camunda is a pretty nice one to deal with.

PPS. Of course a programmer can still make any sort of program in BPMN, but I don't think it's easier to use like that for anyone, than to just use a programming language.

@clacke I've used Camunda quite a bit, and I'm always sceptical if it's put forward as easier than programming, or as something a non-programmer can use.

Maybe something like that can be built from it, but I've yet to see it happen.

I actually still would want to use it, but I think it would require treating it as a UI toolkit, and have the same requirements for putting stuff into the hands of users as if you made a GUI application.

@ohworm https://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fil:V%C3%A4stg%C3%B6ta_nations_grav.jpg

As an example of "mutual aid", an important activity early on was providing funerals for students lacking means to be shipped back home after their death. Uppsala has these large graves for each nation that was originally used for that.

Some of them (not this one in the picture) are still used now and then for exchange students that can't be repatriated for some reason.

@ohworm stipends mostly come from independent foundations. The student union publishes a list with hundreds of different ones, where you can see which ones you can apply for.

Some of the foundations are old and have rules written up by someone in their will a long time ago, so they can be quirky. (like "you have to be a virtuous young woman from X parish without means").

@ohworm in my old university there are a handful of unions where this is the largest one: https://www.uskar.se/eng

Organisation is high since it's also the main social organisation for students, through the "nations" that make up the union, membership of which are nominally based on which county you are from.

When I was a student the organisation rate was 100 % since you had to be a member of a student union to register to courses.

@ohworm I guess I don't have personal experience of the initial organising stage as that happened 150 before I became a student. However, if any lessons are to be learned from it, they might be:

* Focus on social activities if you want high participation.
* Lecturers are not bosses and have shared interests, so include them.
* Since there is no employer to get more compensation from, the focus needs on e.g. housing, social aid, etc. (Maybe fees depending on where you are).

@ohworm it's the same organisation for undergraduates and students, and lecturers and researchers tend to stay members too, though the latter also organise in unions for employees, such as a big one that organises academics both in public and private sector.

@notclacke@misskey.de @clacke @mishari @notclacke@gnusocial.net @thep it wouldn't be surprised if there is a local Chinese name, since there is a large Thai Chinese minority, especially around the coast and the south. But, those all read Thai script, and their ancestral Chinese language wasn't Mandarin anyway, so the target audience here is tourists from mainland China. In other words my money is on a typo.

@clacke IIRC we already have one or two members like that, though they've just had someone become a member as an individual and then set up their webpage etc. like that. I'm sure we can help if they would need to transfer those accounts to someone else.

One of our board members is talking to an organization that's more about about offering online services for coops, that we may start some sort of collaboration with, but we'll see where that goes.

@ken_fallon since I've moved from Thailand to Sweden a few months ago there's a bit of a change though. This now happens when you go _into_ a train, instead of when you come out from it.

@clacke @damko https://hcoop.net/board/ ← I have a bias. But anyway, if you want to chat about whether it's a good choice for you, you can try us on irc://irc.libera.chat/#hcoop

@clacke one of the neater things about HCoop, but also sometimes a bit of a hurdle, is that the infrastructure is based on OpenAFS. This is not something you'll notice much if you mainly use it for mail though, it comes into play more if you want to host web applications there.

@clacke @damko HCoop.net has Mailman.