@feoh

I didn't actually own a C64, but I did own a VIC 20, and the manual for it is is clearly a computer programming manual written for children.

http://cini.classiccmp.org/pdf/Commodore/VIC-20%20User%27s%20Manual.pdf

@feoh

I'm not dismissing the importance or innovation of BASIC, or LOGO (which is what I started with on the TI-99).

I consider TIC-80 to be a bit of almost retro-futurism? It's the computer we wanted but never had.

OTOH it doesn't have any kind of significant IO functionality- you can sort of almost hack it in if you bang the registers, but... no :)

@feoh

100%, and moreover, while I didn't have an Atari, the Commodore manuals were incredibly friendly and took the new computer owner through the functionality.

@feoh

My question is "Is it BASIC, or is it such direct access to the hardware?"

For example, if Lua had been an option, would that have done the same?

@dan @feoh

> Today it's a Lua interpreter and a program that consumes almost all of the available RAM to draw rectangles on the display of a PineTime smart watch.

A very honest README.

According to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) National Nutrient Database, one raw fennel bulb weighing 234 grams (g) contains:

72.5 calories.
0.47 g of fat.
2.9 g of protein.
17 g of carbohydrate.
7.3 g of dietary fiber.
no cholesterol.

... is what I get when I type "Fennel macros" into Google.

#fennellang

@gergely

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Maximus_keyboard

@SDF

*thinks to himself, "Plan 9... that's so silly"*

*thinks about Hurd support*

It's been quite a few years since I was a #sys-admin professionally.

At the time, jumphosts were used as a mechanism to get into protected systems externally.

The alternative was a VPN.

My concern with VPNs is complexity.

I have a very small (<5) number of hosts to connect to.

My issue with jumphosts are cost and additional points of failure.

What do people think of protecting SSH over wireguard?

What about alternatives like port knocking?

Other alternatives?

@psyklax

To be clear on how I know... I run a Jitsi server and have for >a year and a half , including writing bridge software to phone bridge, etc.

@psyklax

Not usable for rooms size >8

Twitch may seem like a strange choice, but it's possible to stream Twitch from VLC, and chat via IRC, with no proprietary software, not even proprietary Javascript

Youtube Live is widely used, but can't interact with Free tools AFAIK.

Zoom is widely used and understood, but is 100% proprietary, other than people using the phone dial-in.

Other options? BBB is interesting, but I can't find any low cost option for hosting one off events.

So please vote, or provide alternatives!

@clacke

I have (or at least had) a Finnish friend in HK.

Could he count?

@clacke @shapr

*shrug* I know a family of Swedes in NYC. I don't really understand the point you're trying to make- people come and go out of NYC. It's a very intense place.

@fuchsiashock @mpjgregoire @hypolite @clacke

I'm always a bit nervous about anyone from the Cato institute... (long stories there I can share over proverbial drinks), but I do think that based on the description that the review has that there's something to be valued from understanding the ways in which groups have their intrinsic value in their language and ways we can use that to reach more people and come together, which is very important, especially to vulnerable minorities.

When I've talked about these sorts of issues, both in the past and now, many responses are "Why don't you run ____" or some other piece of advise of that nature.

This advise is almost always a bad answer. Firstly they rarely correctly identify the problem I'm actually trying to solve. Secondly, and more importantly, they fail to acknowledge the difficulty of being asked to do this much labor for Freedom.

It's a toxic behavior from our community, and we need to call it out.

Running FLOSS and not using trackers is very important to me, but I can't imagine someone who isn't very technical being able to get through all this.

I think we in the FLOSS world need to give folks who make other choices slack, because it's also not necessarily that they realize that a newsletter provider is possibly going to embed trackers. They may see it as a benefit (not realizing) or may not even know or have access to those trackers at all.

One last thought on this...

* There are FLOSS options, namely Mailtrain and Sendportal

* That now means running at least one more (possibly two more) services on my own

* Sendportal looks simpler, but it requires I write my own "widget" (not a huge deal but another service), and it doesn't have a docker image

* Mailtrain is more mature, but more complex to use

* If I'd chosen the proprietary option, I'd have been up and running days ago, but instead I'm spending time and a lot more money (to run services)

A bit of a technical rant here on the challenges of FLOSS. I may turn this into a longer form writing if people want.

* I need a "sign up for dates" newsletter

* Proprietary newsletter providers have have embedded trackers that make them less than ideal, but make it *very* easy to integrate, including all the tools to be GDPR compliant, work on static websites, etc.

* If I want to avoid using them, I need to now write my own web application

...

@Gargron

> inevitably adds toxicity to people's behaviours

The word "inevitably" tells me this isn't true, and my own use of quote tweets, and the people I follow on Twitter using Quote tweets shows how important they are.

You can certainly decide what you like and don't like on your own platform, but please don't make statements which are demonstrably false.