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1. Eugen 🎄 (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 11:41:27 UTC Eugen 🎄

   I've made a deliberate choice against a quoting feature because it inevitably adds toxicity to people's behaviours. You are tempted to quote when you should be replying, and so you speak at your audience instead of with the person you are talking to. It becomes performative. Even when doing it for "good" like ridiculing awful comments, you are giving awful comments more eyeballs that way. No quote toots. Thank's

   • Colin the Mathmo (colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 11:41:24 UTC Colin the Mathmo

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     • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

     @jens Although I do observe that while good and decent users make excellent use of features offered, there are always those who act in bad faith. The sad truth is that while we can trust the vast majority of users, we cannot trust them all, and some features can and will amplify the bad actors.

     Decisions have to be made, a balance must be struck, and no choice is perfect.

     You can see exactly what someone is replying to in the web interface by clicking on the post and seeing ...

     1/n

     @Gargron

   • Colin the Mathmo (colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 11:41:24 UTC Colin the Mathmo

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     • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

     @jens ... the immediate parent.Then back out and click on another post. You are effectively traversing the tree that Chartodon makes explicit.

     I agree with many of your points, but the situation is nuanced.

     I suspect a more careful, relaxed, and broader discussion would be useful and helpful, but that won't happen for any one of several reasons.

     2/n, n=2

     @Gargron

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   • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻 (jens@social.finkhaeuser.de)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 11:41:25 UTC Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

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     @Gargron Because what this basically says is "I don't trust users to employ a feature sensibly that's pretty standard in many different context, so I'm not providing it".

   • Jens Finkhäuser 🌻 (jens@social.finkhaeuser.de)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 11:41:26 UTC Jens Finkhäuser 🌻

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     • Chartodon

     @Gargron If only we had email-like or BBS-like or even chat-like quoting so that people understand what precisely you're replying to. Like we've been doing non-performatively for decades before ActivityPub was even a thing.

     But I guess we have @Chartodon to make sense of the messy threads that reply only and limited toot sizes produce.

     My ghast is flabbered at this take, to be honest.

   • Eugen 🎄 (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 06-May-2022 10:38:48 UTC Eugen 🎄

     in reply to

     I was just answering a question that multiple new people asked me, it's not like I *just* made the decision. Didn't expect this toot to blow up of all things haha. This has been my position since that feature was requested for the first time more than a year ago

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   • QueenOfSquiggles (queenofsquiggles@tech.lgbt)'s status on Friday, 06-May-2022 10:39:07 UTC QueenOfSquiggles

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     @Gargron This exact feature is why I am enjoying Mastodon much more than Twitter. There was always a lot of angst and the whole "ratio" thing didn't help. Without a QRT-like feature, I feel encouraged to talk to the actual person, or if I don't like it I can mute or just go on with my day. Obviously I would report something that goes against the rules or is outwardly harmful, but if someone disagrees with me on favourite programming language, Mastodon encourages a discussion instead of a fight

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   • Emacsen (emacsen@emacsen.net)'s status on Friday, 06-May-2022 10:40:57 UTC Emacsen

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     @Gargron

     > inevitably adds toxicity to people's behaviours

     The word "inevitably" tells me this isn't true, and my own use of quote tweets, and the people I follow on Twitter using Quote tweets shows how important they are.

     You can certainly decide what you like and don't like on your own platform, but please don't make statements which are demonstrably false.