@joeyh @dthompson I only pre-rinse things that have big or particularly sticky things on them but I know others vary in their habits (including in my household)

@joeyh @dthompson pre-rinsing by the machine or pre-rinsing by the person loading them into the dishwasher?

Yes to the former, dunno by the latter.

@wobblysaeeda @dthompson And the Python style guide merely says "be consistent in the same module" about them iirc

@wobblysaeeda @dthompson Python accepts either for string quoting!

@pony @lain For example in the US, most food is grown in the midwest or in California, the latter of which was primarily desert which was incapable of growing the kind of food it has been until recently. But that water has been primarily diverted from the northern part of the state to the southern part, and it looks like that strategy isn't sustainable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_California

@pony @lain Furthermore, many of the water sources that we've been relying on have come from underground aquifers. We're certainly depleting *that* at a far higher rate than we're finding alternatives https://www.wri.org/blog/2013/05/new-study-raises-question-what-don-t-we-know-about-water-scarcity

The research I've read has pointed to water scarcity being one of the biggest threats of our lifetimes, but it hasn't hit in a way that's obvious quite yet to the average person because the effects aren't hitting most people in industrial western areas.

@dthompson I remember being shocked to find out just how much more efficient modern day dishwashers are at water use than hand washing. Did not expect it.

@KARiley40 @clacke I agree with everything you say except "smart people are working on it". My suspicion is that there *aren't* enough smart people working on it, and as much resources (and pressure for change) as we need allocated in order for society to survive.

And that's my main area of concern.

*thunk*

time
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@KARiley40 @clacke It's for sure a multi-pronged battle ahead.

When computers are involved in the inputs you experience, the outputs you produce, and your reasoning process, the distinction between those computers and you blurs considerably.

Increasingly, not having user freedom means not having agency. This work is critical.

@KARiley40 These days I can eat at nearly any town in rural america as a vegetarian. My life would have been much harder if I started in the 1970s as opposed to the mid-2000s.

Imagine if the same could be the case for people refusing to make use of disposable plastics! Whereas today, as an American, making such changes seems almost infathomable.

@KARiley40 We need larger regulatory changes which target industrial production, "consumer" changes aren't enough.

But they are a starting place. Just look at how *easy* it is to be a vegetarian today compared to say, the 1970s when Peter Singer and co started arguing for it... Animal Liberation included some recipes mainly because most Americans couldn't fathom what a vegetarian diet would even *look* like. Consumer demand *did* drive a change there.

@KARiley40 sounds like we agree :)

I am trying to figure out how to change my purchase habits to reduce the amount of disposable plastic I use. I have considered doing a "month of almost no disposable plastic" but society has constructed itself in such a way that it feels like it would take an enormous amount of energy. That seems like a huge warning sign (and reason to do it).