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@moshpirit No, there's no web federation that is private. Also, xmpp is private per se since conversations are from one to another. @echosa
- Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.
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!gnusocial Is there a way to make an account "private", as in only viewable by people who follow? I know there's a setting to make followers require approval.
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@zoowar @echosa Oh I founded! You'll find the "Make updates visible only to my followers" at the end of https://gs.sdf.org/echosa/settings/profile so there's no need for using the locker :)
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@moshpirit @echosa @zoowar Take care and test that it's working. When I last tried it a few months ago private notices were still federating and visible to unauthenticated users. It's possible that work has been done since then but it is a very underloved feature.
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@thomask @echosa @zoowar it should be a big bug to keep in mind for devs I asume then.
As always, the big problem about GS comes again. Federation. 😔
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@moshpirit There's a reason why they didn't implemented,and it's because can't be assured that the messages remain private. @echosa @zoowar
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You are generally mistaken. Two examples, #dumpio and #hubzilla both enable entity to entity privacy. However, if one doesn't selfhost, then one can't be sure that the host operator isn't sharing the secrets. @moshpirit @echosa
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@bob @thomask @zoowar @drymer @moshpirit This whole conversation (which is more than just this single thread) has been very enlightening and is a good conversation to have about !gnusocial. For those used to Twitter, these little caveats can be huge, or, at the very least, confusing. Privacy is a hot topic right now, as it should be.
I did a little Google Sleuthing with my username, and I found examples of my GNU Social posts on other servers. I assume that's because of how GS federation works. This is a concern to me, though. If I close my GS account and delete my content on the server I signed up on, will my content remain on the other servers, or does the deletion propagate throughout the federation? If deleting my account, or even deleting a single post, doesn't propagate through the entire system, then I don't fully own or control my own content. That's not good. Of course, I could be mistaken, so can someone either confirm or correct my statements?
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@echosa @lnxw48 @cmhobbs @clacke @drymer @bob @mmn @zoowar @moshpirit @thomask Up-to-date GS instances support federated single-notice deletion. Note that anyone can modify their instance so it doesn't comply though. I haven't checked, but I don't think deleting the account will send 'deletion' pings to remote instances. In that case, your notices would not get deleted on remote instances even if they're up-to-date and 'obey' single-notice deletion requests. Personally, I consider everything I post here as public and archived for eternity. Not only by other GS instances, but any other crawler (e.g.: Google, etc).
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@cmhobbs federation & permissions (we tell people to make every post public, so replies are visible to all conversation participants; otherwise, replies more restricted than lriginal post). No concept of direct message, so a post in a stream of hundreds (with suitably restricted recipients) is used as an often invisible substitute.
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@cmhobbs @lnxw48 @echosa gnuSocial also federates deletion of posts, but it is not foolproof. For example, by default, gnuSocial will not try to resent ostatus updates that fail to go through, such as said deletions. There really is no way of making sure your post is deleted short of getting each and every admin of every instance to delete it.
This is both a feature and a flaw: it makes the fediverse very resilient to attempts at censorship, as Christopher Hobbs pointed out, but it also makes it sometimes difficult to ensure privacy if, for example, someone posts a "dox" post that then federates.
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@echosa @drymer @zoowar @bob @moshpirit @thomask "I don't fully own [...] my own content." You don't, once it's on Other People's Computers.
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@clacke @drymer @zoowar @bob @echosa @thomask but it happens with every service, not just on GNU social.
I think it should be highlighted.
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@chimo yeah, deletion in !GNUsocial (as on the internet in general, except apparently Hubzilla which magically solves this with magic unicorns) is only to spare others annoying duplicates/corrections, not actually removing data.
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@drymer @moshpirit @echosa XMPP involves Other People's Computers as much as any other federation. There is nothing special about web.
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@clacke Sure, but you don't see what I'm talking with my xmpp account, but you see me now. @moshpirit @echosa
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@lnxw48 @cmhobbs "No concept of direct message"? #pumpio has as much direct messaging as e-mail does.
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@drymer @moshpirit @echosa pump.io is like XMPP in that aspect. If you don't address the public, the public doesn't see it.
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