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1. marnanel (marnanel@queer.party)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Feb-2022 02:12:41 UTC marnanel

   So, you may know that the British government is going to make a law that if you're eligible for citizenship elsewhere your British citizenship can be revoked— even if you don't actually have citizenship there, and even if the other state doesn't agree that you're eligible.

   Well, according to a Government answer in the Commons, it turns out that that applies to Israel's law of return. Thus *any* Jewish person can have their British citizenship stripped unilaterally.

   https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2022-01-17/105513

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   • marnanel (marnanel@queer.party)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Feb-2022 02:12:40 UTC marnanel

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     [And anyone who was born on the island of Ireland before 2000, or whose parents were. So pretty much all Irish people. Thanks to Kit for pointing that out.]

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   • Django (django@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Feb-2022 02:14:34 UTC Django

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     @marnanel i haven’t been following, seems engineered to apply to anyone in Northern Ireland, all born on the island are eligible for Irish citizenship, it would come in handy especially with the the current uk/eu impasse and shifting demographics and electoral trends.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 02:54:52 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     Anyone with the right to citizenship outside the UK would rightfully feel targeted by this.
     
     Allowing citizens to become stateless against their will is an assault on human rights. Not literally, if referring to the Universal Declaration or the European Convention, which say nothing about citizenship, but morally. It reintroduces the concept of the outlaw and has no place in an enlightened country.
   • Cy (cy@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 03:03:13 UTC Cy

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     • Emacsen

     @emacsen Is the "shitshow of a Tory government" less likely to make trouble for you because you're Jewish?
     I honestly don't know. Just something I thought you might want to ask.

   • Emacsen (emacsen@emacsen.net)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 03:03:14 UTC Emacsen

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     • Cy
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     @lydiaconwell @marnanel @cy

     I've never lived in the UK and I have nothing invested in UK, and I did nothing to prevent anyone from becoming Prime Minister of the UK, but I saw Corbyn's statements and I can say definitively that Corbyn made antisemitic statements. As for whether he's an antisemite- I don't know what goes on inside his heart or mind- I can only say what his words were.

     As for only caring about it when it's a weapon- I'm a Jew, and I care about antisemitism.

   • marnanel (marnanel@queer.party)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 03:03:21 UTC marnanel

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     • Cy

     @cy Yes— but

     1) it's HMG's opinion that matters here, and future governments can abuse the power

     2) it's not a good thing that if they want to deport someone, it's easier if they're Jewish.

   • Lydia Conwell (lydiaconwell@mas.to)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 03:03:21 UTC Lydia Conwell

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     • Cy

     @marnanel @cy Yes, and Corbyn was smeared and still is smeared for being an antisemite, yet the people who pushed those smears did so to help prevent him becoming prime minister and thus enabled THIS shitshow of a Tory government.

     The truth of the matter is, those who pushed the AS smears do not care about antisemitism except when used as a weapon.

     When real dangers arise those people are strangely silent.

   • Cy (cy@mstdn.io)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 03:03:22 UTC Cy

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     @marnanel To be fair, the answer was "we only use that provision sparingly against those who pose a serious threat to the UK whose conduct involves very high harm." Currently "being Jewish" does not qualify as a serious threat, or very high harm. It did in the antisemetic UK of the 1940's, but then most of us kinda realized that people are a teensy bit too easy to manipulate when you blind them with hatred.

   • Emacsen (emacsen@emacsen.net)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 03:03:23 UTC Emacsen

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     • Cy

     @cy

     Your question can't be answered because it's based on incorrect assumptions.

     I don't judge someone's antisemitism based on how it might impact me specifically.

     There is a similar argument made by American Democrats on why Jews should vote Democratic even though there has been a rise in left-wing antisemitism in the US, because the right wing is worse.

     This argument feels not only cynical to an extreme, but also incredibly disingenuous.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 03:08:21 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • heluecht
     @heluecht @marnanel No, revoking the citizenship of someone with dual citizenship is already legal under circumstances, but making someone stateless is categorically not allowed.
     
     This law would allow the British state to make someone stateless because the state considers them eligible for citizenship elsewhere.
   • heluecht (heluecht@pirati.ca)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 03:08:26 UTC heluecht

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     @marnanel I guess that this law is aimed especially at convicted people with a dual citizenship as a way to get rid of these people.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 03:15:10 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Deseando ver el sol.
     Correction: The European Convention says nothing, but the Universal Declaration has a right to a nationality. (I searched for citizenship)
     
     Thank you, @Aurochs .
     
     mastodon.madrid/@Aurochs/10772…
     
     en.wikisource.org/wiki/Univers…
   • Deseando ver el sol. (aurochs@mastodon.madrid)'s status on Thursday, 03-Feb-2022 07:57:13 UTC Deseando ver el sol.

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

     @clacke I think the right to a nationality is kind of a forgotten human right. Depriving of nationality has been used as a punishment historically.

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