@clacke @saper @abbienormal this happens in countries where people don't learn to drive a manual.

We'll see if things change when people start learning on EV's. I barely touch the brake at all when I drive mine. There are two paddle switches on the steering wheel where I can control the amount of braking from the motor, and I can use it to come to a complete stop.

@samebchase @akkartik the Wikipedia article on the for loop claims the first appearance was in Algol 58. Apparently that in turn came from a really early German language called superplan. I don't think this language was ever implemented.

But the term "for" indicating that a computation is done for all values of the some criteria is quite well established since long, I think.

You may call me stupid, but I didn't realise until just now that the term subscripting of arrays comes from the mathematical convention of the writing indexes in subscript after the the variable.

I was casually reading some documentation on how to compile Fortran programs on an 1130, as one does, where they mentioned array subscripting and I suddenly realised it. How could I have missed this all this time?

@suetanvil @ne1for23 There is a distinct lack of Lisp and APL here.

@koakuma Another example is the lisp-binary package for Common Lisp. If you look at the documentation you can see an example using the DEFBINARY macro. https://quickdocs.org/lisp-binary

@koakuma @lanodan @chjara @clacke at that point you have to consider padding as well, so just specifying endianness isn't enough. You'd need a way to describe binary structures, which some languages do have. Perl has pack for example.

@clacke as far as I understand, there is no majority for it. Not all democrats in the US parliament agrees with it.

This is a problem with two party politics I think, since there is no way deals can be made across multiple parties, making even then most reasonable deals into ideological battles.

@clacke GUSD? Billions of USD budget?

@thegibson One thing I remember from that show was that before the show started, a guy (who was clearly not part of the team) did a mic check, not knowing the distortion was enabled... He went "testing testing... Oh wow. Cool. Hello." and then started making noises just to play with the sound. 🙂

Why aren't more people talking about Nitzer Ebb? They were a huge part of my growing up.

Apparently they're actually still performing. I need to get to see them live. @thegibson why didn't you tell me they are still touring?

@thegibson Speaking of classinc synth bands, I just realised that Frontline Assembly has released some new stuff in the last several years, none of which I had never heard before.

I saw them live back in the 90's in a small club in some suburb of Stockholm. It was an amazing show, and I'd love to see them again. They haven't toured since 2018 though.

@thegibson The best synth show I went to was at a small stage at the University of Stockholm where they managed to get DAF, S.P.O.C.K., Elegant Machinery and Front 242 (and one more band?) to play. The audience couldn't have been more than a few hundred and it was packed.

DAF played 13 songs, and started and ended with Der Mussolini. They sure knew their audience. 🙂

@dubst3pp4 @maxeddy You had a trabant? I'm not sure I've ever seen one. I'd love to drive one at some point.

@dubst3pp4 @maxeddy Do you still have it? I didn't think they last that long?

@dubst3pp4 @maxeddy I did see a video of someone who out an Audi TT engine in his trabant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MyuB-DqIIs

@unfa check with @vantablack who enjoys doing it and have expressed a wish to do contract work

@clacke @aryak indeed, that works. Thanks!

@clacke @aryak I got it to start, but shortly after entering a game, the mouse cursor doesn't move anymore.

I found some documentation suggesting it's because I'm using an unpatched Wine, but at the same time it says that wine 7.0 should be fine(?) and I'm using 7.2. Did you see this?

@aryak @clacke would be fun if it works. I could play with the kids then. I can never bother to boot into Windows to play it.

@clacke does Roblox work on Linux again? It stopped working several years ago (intentionally blocked I think?)