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1. Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 03-Jul-2022 11:12:04 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
   In Hong Kong you see road signs like "use low gear", "stay in low gear". You never see that in Sweden.
   
   On the one hand it feels like an insult to drivers; Anyone with a license obviously knows how to use the engine for braking.
   
   On the other hand the driving professional handling this bus is clearly relying entirely on brakes.
   
   On the third hand that just shows the sign to be useless anyway.
   
   Same sequence with "cyclists dismount".
   • uhmmm (abbienormal@tech.lgbt)'s status on Sunday, 03-Jul-2022 11:23:11 UTC uhmmm

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     @clacke

     if you're not acquainted with the road, the indication about the gear can be useful

     in some car competition the pilot is sided by a person who's there exactly to remind the pilot about how the coming curve is and what gear to use

   • uhmmm (abbienormal@tech.lgbt)'s status on Sunday, 03-Jul-2022 11:23:11 UTC uhmmm

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     @clacke

     I usually drive a small Toyota and it has a blinking light on the dashboard indicating me to low the gear or to higher it up

     I appreciate that 🤷♂️

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   • uhmmm (abbienormal@tech.lgbt)'s status on Sunday, 03-Jul-2022 11:23:16 UTC uhmmm

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     @clacke

     on another side, someimes I think "if you know so well what I should do with the gear, you should also operate the gear yourself"

     but that's a different issue

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 03-Jul-2022 11:27:34 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • uhmmm
     @abbienormal I see your point, but this was on a highway and a change like that doesn't happen suddenly. If the driver doesn't notice it's a downslope they won't notice the sign and also shouldn't be driving.
     
     Rally circumstances do not apply. =)
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 03-Jul-2022 11:35:12 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • uhmmm
     Come to think of it Sweden does have signs with an illustration of a slope and numbers indicating the incline, like 20%.
     
     But the only signs I can think of that have imperative text like a backseat driver are stop signs and very specific signs like "Pay attention to frequent emergency traffic". Otherwise they're all declarative and just show this and that rule, limitation or warning applies to this area.
     
     @abbienormal
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 03-Jul-2022 11:39:16 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • valhalla
     • uhmmm
     @valhalla Haha, good point. But a sudden change might merit advance warning, which is more like what @abbienormal was talking about in the rally scenario.
     
     Anyway, if you notice you have to brake a lot, going a gear lower should be instinct.
   • valhalla (valhalla@social.gl-como.it)'s status on Sunday, 03-Jul-2022 11:39:17 UTC valhalla

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     • uhmmm
     wouldn't a gradual change be *harder* to detect than a sudden one?
     
     @clacke @abbienormal
   • Marcin Cieślak (saper@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 03-Jul-2022 13:55:43 UTC Marcin Cieślak

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     • uhmmm

     @clacke @abbienormal do you think the bus might have been equipped with a retarder instead? (like most larger buses are)?

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 03-Jul-2022 13:55:43 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Marcin Cieślak
     • uhmmm
     @saper @abbienormal I'm sure they're all equipped. I'm also quite sure it was used at some other parts of the trip, but not the downhill part. =)
   • valhalla (valhalla@social.gl-como.it)'s status on Monday, 04-Jul-2022 00:09:58 UTC valhalla

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     • uhmmm
     and I appreciate it. usually.
     
     say, every time I'm driving on a street with less than 10% incline :)
     
     the fact that I live in an area of the world that is somewhat flat surface challenged doesn't help :D
     
     @abbienormal @clacke
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   • uhmmm (abbienormal@tech.lgbt)'s status on Monday, 04-Jul-2022 00:09:59 UTC uhmmm

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     • valhalla

     @valhalla @clacke

     It's tuned on extreme saving of fuel

     You're free to not follow Its suggestions 😄

   • valhalla (valhalla@social.gl-como.it)'s status on Monday, 04-Jul-2022 00:10:00 UTC valhalla

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     • uhmmm
     I also drive a Toyota, and my perception is that the indicator is pretty good at making you use less fuel (great), much less so at driving on hilly roads (you're already struggling going uphill and slowly losing speed in fourth gear, why are you suggesting that I switch to fifth? WHY?)
     
     @abbienormal @clacke
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 04-Jul-2022 00:10:44 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • valhalla
     • uhmmm
     @valhalla @abbienormal I ... Whaaaat
   • valhalla (valhalla@social.gl-como.it)'s status on Monday, 04-Jul-2022 00:10:46 UTC valhalla

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     • uhmmm
     with my old car, if I noticed I was braking a lot the instinct was to turn the AC on :D
     
     (really, the ability of both my previous and current cars to engine brake was and is pretty limited, and even at low gears I still have to give a small nudge to the brakes quite often, but with the old one turning on the AC improved it a perceptible bit)
     
     @clacke @abbienormal
   • Elias Mårtenson (loke@functional.cafe)'s status on Monday, 04-Jul-2022 00:11:53 UTC Elias Mårtenson

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     • Marcin Cieślak
     • uhmmm

     @clacke @saper @abbienormal this happens in countries where people don't learn to drive a manual.

     We'll see if things change when people start learning on EV's. I barely touch the brake at all when I drive mine. There are two paddle switches on the steering wheel where I can control the amount of braking from the motor, and I can use it to come to a complete stop.

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