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1. Deborah Pickett (futzle@aus.social)'s status on Friday, 01-Apr-2022 06:57:20 UTC Deborah Pickett

   • jec

   @jec This could be why I CW’d my toot “controversial”.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 01-Apr-2022 06:57:13 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @futzle @jec Someone somewhere must have made an email equivalent of the "the planet Saturn is a tea" alignment chart.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 01-Apr-2022 06:57:14 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • jec
     electronic mail has been around for a long time, but arguably at this point email refers to mail that interoperates with the largest electronic mail federated network. Not cc:Mail, not CompuServe, not PLATO, not the national mainframe mail system over X.25, except to the extent that they form an extended part of the greater email network.
     
     So Tutanota and Protonmail form part of the email network because you *can* send emails to other platforms, but I agree that it makes sense to say that an internal message over their proprietary network is not an email. gmail is becoming borderline too as they embrace and extend email protocols.
   • jec (jec@social.alesan.io)'s status on Friday, 01-Apr-2022 06:57:19 UTC jec

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     @futzle I'm sure email predates POP3, SMTP and IMAP. So that would also make those "not real email" either, I guess?
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 02-Apr-2022 03:08:22 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • jec
     @jec @futzle Depends where on the alignment chart you are, I suppose!
     
     Normally those are delivered by an MTA that only speaks SMTP externally, and the messages are stored in a MIME mailbox or maildir, so I'd consider it a lightweight email.
   • jec (jec@social.alesan.io)'s status on Saturday, 02-Apr-2022 03:08:23 UTC jec

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     • jec
     @clacke @futzle What about messages delivered locally by services (e.g. failed crons to root@localhost), which you then read with a client by directly accessing your mbox file / maildir? Is that email?