@clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime

No, the EUROMAIDAN was the cause of the rebellion in Crimea and other regions like Donbass, Kharkiv, Odessa, etc. In Sebastopol the people changed de Major of the city to demand help to Russia three days later, and the Parliament convoque the referendum.... Read the history in the link.

@clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime
No, they did a selfdetermination referendum and they won, and ukranian army and militia attacked the civil population to stop their independence. Like neonazi Azov batallion in Mariupol:
https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refer%C3%A8ndums_de_2014_al_sud_i_a_l%27est_d%27Ucra%C3%AFna

@clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime @brie
Donbass was attacked by Ukranian army and militias, never was attacked by Russia:
https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_al_Donbass

@clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime
Neither than Donetsk or Lugansk that are regions rusophones that didn't accepted the Euro-Maiden coup d'etat and preferred the self-determination, not the ukranians nationalist.

@brie @aral @Mr_Teatime
I know what happened in Chechnya, a dirty war, that won Russia because they was the dirtiest player.

I'm not sure if Holodomor was a big propaganda or a genocide. Surely people died...but for example now we now that Gulag's were'nt worst than the north-american penitentiary. So much information cooked by CIA in european Tv's.

@brie @aral @Mr_Teatime
Was Donbass attacked? And Minsk agreements? Why do you deny that Ukrania was playing with fire catching NATO's hand?

@brie @aral @Mr_Teatime
Well you said about the right of delf-defense for Ukranians, the same right for Russians.
What do you think? ruskis don't do it because they are nazis, they are defending what they consider geo-strategics places and interests. NATO is who are moving in the dark.

@clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime @brie

Ukraine bypassed the Minsk Accords by acquiring vetoed weapons and arming militias. I think Ukraine fell into the trap of NATO and played to provoke Russia.

@clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime
Well, selfdetermination for the people or nations runs this way if you like democratics.
Whats about Kosovo in Yugoslavia?

@aral
I'm happy because people from Donbass now they can be free and in peace.

Ukrainian state is the same kind of fascists like Putin. There's no difference between them.

If Ukrainia governement don't want war, why they did war during 8 years in Donbass?
Now people from Ukraina are paying the consequences of their fascist hierarchies.

In this war just right-wingded and imperialists are loosing.

@Mr_Teatime @aral
I do not support the Russian invasion to Ukraina. This is a war between imperialists. My support is for the people of Donbass who did an independentist referendum and won 8 years ago, but Ukrania sent to them the war.

@Mr_Teatime @aral
If we want a quick end of the war and stability in that zone during decades, the better way its an ukranian surrender.

NATO inside Ukrania it's war with Russia.
More weapons to help Ukranian government now means more civilians dying.

NATO needs to present Russia as an enemy to justificates their own existence.

Peace is easy with the conditions that Russia are saying. That doesn't means that this is an imperialist aggression to Ukrania.

@brie @aral @Mr_Teatime

Why is not posible to install misiles in Cuba in front USA, but it's posible to install misiles in Ukrania just in front Russia?
Are ruskis sillier than yankis?