Aral Balkan
“You, the Westerners, will never get it. Partially because most of yous have a completely different experience of history, and it is that of living your life in a dominating country. Partially because you can’t be arsed to listen, and you never were.”
https://freedomnews.org.uk/2022/03/04/fuck-leftist-westplaining/
Aral Balkan
@bit_tyrant_resistor Thank goodness we have an Australian to tell those poor, simple Eastern Europeans what to think.
bit_tyrant_resistor
@aral Caitlin seems to have a response to this specifically. https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/03/19/erasing-history-to-own-putin-notes-from-the-edge-of-the-narrative-matrix/
Jordi
@Mr_Teatime @aral
If we want a quick end of the war and stability in that zone during decades, the better way its an ukranian surrender.
NATO inside Ukrania it's war with Russia.
More weapons to help Ukranian government now means more civilians dying.
NATO needs to present Russia as an enemy to justificates their own existence.
Peace is easy with the conditions that Russia are saying. That doesn't means that this is an imperialist aggression to Ukrania.
Mr. Teatime
@JordiVallcarca
according to your own words:
»There's no difference between them.«
If that were so, then why do you support a military attack by one side but deny the other side's right to defend themselves? There's clearly a difference in your view.
Also, it would seem that the people trying to live in the Donbass region (and those who fled in horror...) might have a more "nuanced" view than "it's all the same to me".
@aral
Jordi
@Mr_Teatime @aral
I do not support the Russian invasion to Ukraina. This is a war between imperialists. My support is for the people of Donbass who did an independentist referendum and won 8 years ago, but Ukrania sent to them the war.
Jordi
@aral
I'm happy because people from Donbass now they can be free and in peace.
Ukrainian state is the same kind of fascists like Putin. There's no difference between them.
If Ukrainia governement don't want war, why they did war during 8 years in Donbass?
Now people from Ukraina are paying the consequences of their fascist hierarchies.
In this war just right-wingded and imperialists are loosing.
Aral Balkan
“Antifascism is protecting people from individuals with structural power. Right now that is Putin. If you are protecting his hegemony over his vast and increasing empire, if you are What Abouting into helplessness, you are part of the aggressor.”
https://freedomnews.org.uk/2022/03/04/fuck-leftist-westplaining/
Aral Balkan
I strongly urge you to read this whole article.
If we’re going to create better alternatives to what exist today, those alternatives must not just be different hierarchies of people who worship different gods and think they know better than everyone else.
(And I have a bit of first-hand experience that I’m talking from here: https://ar.al/notes/farewell-not-goodbye/)
bit_tyrant_resistor
@aral I agree with the part of the rant that as a westerner I cannot fully understand the life, situation, and mindset of people living there. However we do need to question the main stream narratives and try to find the truth since we are very involved in this fight. Let's discuss rather than follow the advice of 'shut the fuck up and believe what we are told.' Neutrality as adopted by Finland and other countries caught between the superpowers is a great alternative. https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukraine-to-fight-russia?s=r
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Jordi
@clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime
Well, selfdetermination for the people or nations runs this way if you like democratics.
Whats about Kosovo in Yugoslavia?
bit_tyrant_resistor
@clacke Perhaps this is true, but I would like to see that claim substantiated. Finland is one of many examples of countries who chose to be non-aligned and navigated well for many decades.
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Jordi
@clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime
Neither than Donetsk or Lugansk that are regions rusophones that didn't accepted the Euro-Maiden coup d'etat and preferred the self-determination, not the ukranians nationalist.
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Jordi
@clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime
No, they did a selfdetermination referendum and they won, and ukranian army and militia attacked the civil population to stop their independence. Like neonazi Azov batallion in Mariupol:
https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refer%C3%A8ndums_de_2014_al_sud_i_a_l%27est_d%27Ucra%C3%AFna
Jordi
No, the EUROMAIDAN was the cause of the rebellion in Crimea and other regions like Donbass, Kharkiv, Odessa, etc. In Sebastopol the people changed de Major of the city to demand help to Russia three days later, and the Parliament convoque the referendum.... Read the history in the link.
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bit_tyrant_resistor
@clacke Thank you for that. It is a big shift since February obviously due to the Ukraine situation. The results are a little mixed depending on how the questions are posed and responses interpreted: "While arguments against Nato membership were found by 84 per cent of respondents, the survey suggests that the shift in public views is not as dramatic in this regard."
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