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Jordi (jordivallcarca@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 13:31:05 UTC Jordi
@brie @aral @Mr_Teatime
Why is not posible to install misiles in Cuba in front USA, but it's posible to install misiles in Ukrania just in front Russia?
Are ruskis sillier than yankis?

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- Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 13:31:00 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
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  @JordiVallcarca @aral @Mr_Teatime @brie Nobody is putting nuclear weapons in Ukraine. In fact Ukraine gave them away in exchange for the promise that Russia would guarantee their borders. A promise Russia went back on.
  
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- Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 14:09:54 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
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  @JordiVallcarca Did Russia live up to the Minsk agreements? Agreements that basically confirmed their military conquest?
  
  @aral @Mr_Teatime @brie
  
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- Jordi (jordivallcarca@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 14:09:55 UTC Jordi
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  @clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime @brie
  Ukraine bypassed the Minsk Accords by acquiring vetoed weapons and arming militias. I think Ukraine fell into the trap of NATO and played to provoke Russia.
  
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- Jordi (jordivallcarca@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 14:10:26 UTC Jordi
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  @brie @aral @Mr_Teatime
  Well you said about the right of delf-defense for Ukranians, the same right for Russians.
  What do you think? ruskis don't do it because they are nazis, they are defending what they consider geo-strategics places and interests. NATO is who are moving in the dark.
  
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- brie (brie@venera.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 14:10:26 UTC brie
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  @aral @JordiVallcarca @Mr_Teatime Was Russia attacked? I have somehow missed it...
  They can "consider" anything what they want, but when this "considerations" result in starting a war and committing war crimes, they shall and will be treated as thugs and murderers.
  
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- brie (brie@venera.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 14:10:27 UTC brie
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  @aral @JordiVallcarca @Mr_Teatime Ah, "what about" and no one word about the points I raised. So, "Russia has right to murder Ukrainians at will because there are no missiles in Cuba"? A bit far fetched, if you ask me.
  
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- Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 14:12:59 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
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  @JordiVallcarca Russia took Crimea, attacked Donbas, regrouped for eight years, and now they're going for the rest of the country after first spending a lot of ink arguing for how it's really not a country at all.
  
  @aral @Mr_Teatime @brie
  
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- Jordi (jordivallcarca@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 14:13:00 UTC Jordi
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  @brie @aral @Mr_Teatime
  Was Donbass attacked? And Minsk agreements? Why do you deny that Ukrania was playing with fire catching NATO's hand?
  
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- Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 14:36:18 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
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  @JordiVallcarca Before it was occupied by Russia there was nothing for Ukraine to attack.
  
  @aral @Mr_Teatime @brie
  
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- Jordi (jordivallcarca@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 14:36:19 UTC Jordi
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  @clacke @aral @Mr_Teatime @brie
  Donbass was attacked by Ukranian army and militias, never was attacked by Russia:
  https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_al_Donbass
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  1. Guerra al Donbass
    
    La Guerra al Donbass (també anomenada la Guerra a l'est d'Ucraïna) és un conflicte armat a la regió del Donbass a Ucraïna. Des de principis de març de 2014, es van realitzar manifestacions pro-russes i de grups contraris al nou govern establert a Kíev després de l'EuroMaidan a les províncies de Donetsk i Luhansk, territoris anomenats en el seu conjunt Donbass. L'escalada del conflicte va desembocar en un conflicte armat entre les forces independentistes de les autoproclamades Repúbliques Populars de Donetsk i Lugansk i el govern d'Ucraïna. Des de llavors, les tropes russes han participat en el conflicte en suport dels separatistes. El Protocol de Minsk va ser un acord per posar fi a la guerra a l'est d'Ucraïna, signat per representants d'Ucraïna, la Federació Russa, la República Popular de Donetsk (RPL o DNR) i la República Popular de Lugansk (RPL o LNR) el 5 de setembre de 2014, sota els auspicis de l'Organització per a la Seguretat i la Cooperació a Europa (OSCE). Tanmateix, l'acord no va ser respectat per les diferents parts i no va aconseguir el seu objectiu de cessar tots els combats en l'est d'Ucraïna. El conflicte es va agreujar àmpliament...
- brie (brie@venera.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-2022 14:45:24 UTC brie
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  @aral @JordiVallcarca @Mr_TeatimeWas Donbass attacked?Yes, by Russian military in plain uniforms, what alone is a breach of international law.And Minsk agreements?What about them? Those agreements that asked to make elections "in accordance with the Ukrainian law" and to "withdraw illegal armed groups and military equipment as well as fighters and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine"?Ukrania was playing with fireIt's Ukraine, thank you. Bordering Russia is playing with fire, as we can see now. Any sane nation would seek allies.
  
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- Mr. Teatime (mr_teatime@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2022 12:51:10 UTC Mr. Teatime
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  - brie
  @JordiVallcarca
  How can you keep changing topics whenever someone notices that you still imply that Ukraine had no right to have their own international relations?
  People who tell other people who they can and cannot talk to are called abusers. Threatening someone to prevent them from contacting others is _precisely_ how you take their autonomy away. Putin is a jealous, abusive boyfriend
  They weren't playing with fire, they were reaching for a lifeline.
  @brie @aral
  
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- Mr. Teatime (mr_teatime@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2022 12:51:34 UTC Mr. Teatime
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  - Aral Balkan
  - brie
  @JordiVallcarca
  When did the US install nuclear missiles east of Germany?
  Did you notice the cold war ended in 1990? Putin desperately needs to believe it was still on, so he acts as if it was and thereby resurrects it.
  If you assume everyone's your enemy, you become everyone's enemy.
  Russia is not installing any missiles these days, it's dropping bombs on actual humans -- thereby proving that my silent mistrust against Putin was actually still too ootimistic.
  @brie @aral
  
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