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LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 05-Dec-2021 20:16:02 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
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after a nuclear war, the remaining people will probably not be able to spin up a modern operating system on their improvised chips. How do you build a simple, reliable, legacy-free OS from scratch? What ideas 💡 and techniques should be passed down to those people?

If we think hard enough about this, I think we’ll agree that closed-source systems are basically designed to be almost impossible for people outside the sponsoring organization to reproduce (for an example, consider [ReactOS](https://reactos.org/), which launched as [a project to produce a system compatible with Windows 95](https://reactos.org/wiki/FreeWin95) and [then changed to focus on Windows NT](https://reactos.org/wiki/ReactOS/History), and after more than 25 years, is still not capable of being a daily use system.

But we may also determine that most open-source systems are likewise not designed in such a way that reconstruction is viable. The Linux kernel is *huge* these days.

Additionally, in my opinion, they’d probably want to use programming languages designed for readability, ease of learning, and error-reduction first (that is, more like #COBOL than #C, more like #Java than #CPlusPlus, more like !Smalltalk and #Lisp / #Scheme than #Perl / #Raku and #JavaScript) and then performance and low-level access.

I think it is a mistake to assume that one could start with a modern version of #gcc or #llvm or #msvc … because it is not a given that the software itself and someone who knew how to use it (and update, modify, and adapt it) would still exist.
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LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Monday, 25-May-2020 18:30:26 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
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https://mastodon.technology/@alexshendi/104230498494001323

A fully functional Smalltalk-80 VM capable of running the original XEROX PARC !Smalltalk images. Mega-wow!

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LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Tuesday, 19-May-2020 01:46:19 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
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Smalltalk/V 286 R1.2 running under FreeDOS 1.3RC2 on an Asus eeePC 701G. https://cdn.mastodon.technology/media_attachments/files/006/709/022/original/15f1cc37c97d5cf0.jpg

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LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 15-May-2020 19:59:45 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
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@musicman #C-sharp based #OpenSimulator ( https://opensimulator.org/ ) is new to me, but it reminds me of !smalltalk based #OpenCobalt ( http://www.opencobalt.net/ ). I've never used either, but I did used to read a lot about #Croquet (the project that OC revived and replaced) ten or fifteen years ago.
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LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 09-Feb-2020 05:32:59 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
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A couple of things I've heard !Smalltalk people say killed their market:
1. Smalltalk's image-based system didn't mesh well with OS filesystems;
2. #Smalltalk vendor turmoil and their high pricing.
(I wasn't even aware of the language's existence until the late #1990s. I took numerous programming courses over the years, but I never heard ST mentioned until another student mentioned it in a #Java course. )
CC: @clacke@libranet.de

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LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2017 01:38:19 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
Tried out subbing to the "BSD Now" podcast. Interesting, but the two episodes I've listened to are about four times too long and filled with babbling. Within 5-10 minutes, I've tuned out. #BSDNow

I think I'm going to unsubscribe, which will leave me with two:
* Hacker Public Radio -- I've resubbed for the past couple of weeks and I have not burned out yet. Maybe I'm just a fan of @klaatu ;-) #HPR
* Smalltalk Reflections -- This one is on another unannounced hiatus. I should probably take a look around and see whether there are any other !Smalltalk podcasts in currently active production.

I haven't really looked for them yet, but I'd be interested in trying out podcasts that focus mostly on !TclTk or !DLang.

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Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2017 02:22:25 UTC Hallå Kitteh
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> OMeta is a new object-oriented language for pattern matching. It is based on a variant of Parsing Expression Grammars (PEGs) which we have extended to handle arbitrary data types. OMeta's general-purpose pattern matching facilities provide a natural and convenient way for programmers to implement tokenizers, parsers, visitors, and tree transformers, all of which can be extended in interesting ways using familiar object-oriented mechanisms.

So it's even buzzword-compliantly up-to-date. The official implementation is in !smalltalk but there is one in !scheme too, and other languages.

http://tinlizzie.org/ometa/

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Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 04-Aug-2017 17:46:42 UTC Hallå Kitteh
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- LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
@lnxw48a1 Do note the date! And the related version number.

The latest GNU !smalltalk according to http://smalltalk.gnu.org/ is 3.2.91 and in 2013 v3.3 was in alpha.
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Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 17-Jul-2017 06:22:11 UTC Hallå Kitteh
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@oboe Is that a !SmallTalk thing?

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LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jul-2017 02:30:16 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
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- Kit Redgrave 🈚️🏴☠️
RP @kitredgrave: @natecull maybe it's time to bring Smalltalk back :) // There's a group for !Smalltalk for when you're able to join GS groups.

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