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  1. Shari Vegas (sharivegas@sealion.club)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 11:42:28 UTC Shari Vegas Shari Vegas
    Something dawned on me.

    GNUSocial won't scale. Protocol is mired in gross amounts of bureaucracy.

    Fuck. Maybe it's time to fork it.
    In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 11:42:28 UTC from sealion.club permalink
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.
    • Constance Variable (lambadalambda@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 11:44:03 UTC Constance Variable Constance Variable
      in reply to
      @sharivegas what do you mean?
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 11:44:03 UTC permalink
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    • Shari Vegas (sharivegas@sealion.club)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 15:53:27 UTC Shari Vegas Shari Vegas
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      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda https://w3c-social.github.io/social-web-protocols/
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 15:53:27 UTC permalink

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    • Constance Variable (lambadalambda@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:02:24 UTC Constance Variable Constance Variable
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      @sharivegas I didn't know they were actually still working on the specs... The biggest problem for scaling GS at the moment is the awful performance of the current PHP implementation.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:02:24 UTC permalink
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    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:13:47 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda @sharivegas The spec "mired in gross amounts of bureaucracy" might be a CR in two weeks. https://quitter.se/notice/7263905
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:13:47 UTC permalink

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        Sun Sep 25 17:04:17 +0200 2016 (Qvitter)
        By Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clacke) from Quitter.se
        @strypey @bob @arunisaac #activitypub https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ might be a CR in two weeks: http://qttr.at/1hp1 (identi.ca)
    • Constance Variable (lambadalambda@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:17:11 UTC Constance Variable Constance Variable
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      @clacke @sharivegas I don't get what this spec is for. Ostatus replacement? Whatever pump.io is doing?
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:17:11 UTC permalink
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    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:17:23 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda @sharivegas The W3C Social WG has no direct connection to OStatus or GNU Social. I don't know if any GS people participated.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:17:23 UTC permalink
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:18:58 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda @sharivegas That said, some people seem interested in implementing ActivityPub on GNU Social, Diaspora and other platforms.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:18:58 UTC permalink
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:20:54 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda @sharivegas A standardized, pump.io-inspired social network protocol, which would hopefully replace e.g. OStatus.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:20:54 UTC permalink
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:23:03 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • Constance Variable
      @sharivegas @lambadalambda Evan left to create pump.io because GS wouldn't scale. It was partly the protocol + the code + the language.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:23:03 UTC permalink
    • Constance Variable (lambadalambda@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:23:07 UTC Constance Variable Constance Variable
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      @clacke @sharivegas I'll believe it when it happens :). Diaspora barely supports Ostatus and lacks developers, GS isn't exactly evolving at break-neck speed either. I think Ostatus is really the protocol to standardize on / extend, because there's actually a sizeable amount of servers and compatible implementations.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:23:07 UTC permalink
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    • Constance Variable (lambadalambda@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:24:54 UTC Constance Variable Constance Variable
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      @clacke @sharivegas I heard that it "doesn't scale", but why? It's not the most efficient protocol, but the current main implementation is dog slow.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:24:54 UTC permalink
      Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:26:15 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda @sharivegas Evan felt OStatus had too many layers, required too much code. That's why so few implementations. AP is simpler.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:26:15 UTC permalink
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:33:18 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      @sharivegas https://git.gnu.io/gnu/gnu-social/ shows 1-4 active committers. If you joined, there would be 2-5. Your fork would have 1.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:33:18 UTC permalink

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    • lnxw48 (Linux Walt) (lnxw48@fresh.federati.net)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:36:32 UTC lnxw48 (Linux Walt) lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      Based on what he said at the time, he felt that it was too difficult to evolve #OStatus's component specs (mostly designed & controlled by Google) once Google decided that #federation and interoperability in the social space was no longer desirable (coincides with the launch of #GPlus). On top of that, his company was losing money (at one point, it was ad-supported, but users rebelled against the most lucrative ad provider, Google), and most SN users relied upon him for zero-price hosting.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:36:32 UTC permalink
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    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:37:26 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda @sharivegas Whatever you do, messages will have to go from server A to servers B and C. Don't know if OStatus does any worse.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 16:37:26 UTC permalink
    • Constance Variable (lambadalambda@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 17:05:46 UTC Constance Variable Constance Variable
      in reply to
      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      @lnxw48 @clacke ??? What does google have to do with ostatus?
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 17:05:46 UTC permalink
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    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 17:59:55 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda @lnxw48 PubSubHubbub is what I'm aware of. Maybe something more. OStatus was purposefully made to maximize reuse of specs.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 17:59:55 UTC permalink
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 18:01:02 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda @lnxw48 I actually used Google Buzz back then, as a sort of publisher of my identi.ca statuses and also as an RSS reader.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 18:01:02 UTC permalink
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 18:04:39 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      in reply to
      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda @lnxw48 #googlebuzz was partially #ostatus compatible.
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 18:04:39 UTC permalink
    • Annah (maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 18:22:21 UTC Annah Annah
      in reply to
      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Constance Variable
      @lambadalambda @lnxw48 @clacke Google was the big advocate of oStatus that promoted use of it, until they developed their own inhouse thing for Google+
      In conversation Sunday, 25-Sep-2016 18:22:21 UTC permalink
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    • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 26-Sep-2016 02:01:04 UTC Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Annah
      • Constance Variable
      @maiyannah @clacke @lnxw48 @lambadalambda sounds very similar to the story with abandoning XMPP federation when they moved to Hangouts
      In conversation Monday, 26-Sep-2016 02:01:04 UTC permalink
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    • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 26-Sep-2016 02:01:37 UTC Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Danyl Strype
      • Annah
      • Constance Variable
      @clacke @lnxw48 @maiyannah @lambadalambda these are branding exercises. Same tech under the hood (Hangouts uses XMPP internally)
      In conversation Monday, 26-Sep-2016 02:01:37 UTC permalink
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    • Annah (maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Monday, 26-Sep-2016 02:03:22 UTC Annah Annah
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Danyl Strype
      • Constance Variable
      @strypey @lnxw48 @clacke @lambadalambda It's a very common MO of Google.  They love open standards until they do their own proprietary version.  Then fuck you.
      In conversation Monday, 26-Sep-2016 02:03:22 UTC permalink
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    • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Monday, 26-Sep-2016 02:05:19 UTC Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Annah
      • Constance Variable
      @maiyannah @clacke @lnxw48 @lambadalambda it all happened about the same time. Not long after the Alphabet thing was announced...
      In conversation Monday, 26-Sep-2016 02:05:19 UTC permalink
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    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Sep-2016 09:01:41 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Danyl Strype
      • Annah
      • Constance Variable
      @strypey @lnxw48 @maiyannah @lambadalambda I'm pretty sure Alphabet was at least 1-2 years later than Google+.
      In conversation Tuesday, 27-Sep-2016 09:01:41 UTC permalink
    • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Sep-2016 01:19:24 UTC Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Annah
      • Constance Variable
      @clacke @lnxw48 @maiyannah @lambadalambda I could be wrong on the order, but do you agree the business and tech changes were connected?
      In conversation Wednesday, 28-Sep-2016 01:19:24 UTC permalink
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    • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Sep-2016 01:20:45 UTC Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Danyl Strype
      • Annah
      • Constance Variable
      @clacke @lnxw48 @maiyannah @lambadalambda there were a *lot* more changes around that time; canning a bunch of projects; Wave, Buzz, Reader
      In conversation Wednesday, 28-Sep-2016 01:20:45 UTC permalink
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    • Temporary Marjolein (mk@oracle.skilledtests.com)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Sep-2016 03:47:54 UTC Temporary Marjolein Temporary Marjolein
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      @sharivegas reading through (the contents & start) of that, it's all about "content" - not about person/individual/identity or even groups of people. #sigh. That won't work. Ever.
      In conversation Wednesday, 28-Sep-2016 03:47:54 UTC permalink
    • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 28-Sep-2016 05:36:41 UTC Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      • Danyl Strype
      • Annah
      @clacke @maiyannah I think these was a decision by management to break interoperability and increase lock-in, and cover it up with PR spin
      In conversation Wednesday, 28-Sep-2016 05:36:41 UTC permalink
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    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 29-Sep-2016 06:56:12 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Danyl Strype
      • Annah
      • Constance Variable
      @strypey @lnxw48 @maiyannah @lambadalambda Only in the most nebulous way, as a sort of general corporatification.
      In conversation Thursday, 29-Sep-2016 06:56:12 UTC permalink
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 29-Sep-2016 07:01:01 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Danyl Strype
      • Annah
      • Constance Variable
      @strypey @lnxw48 @maiyannah @lambadalambda Wave: too much, too slow. Buzz: G+ (Buzz+Wave?) killed it. Reader: Prob should've stayed.
      In conversation Thursday, 29-Sep-2016 07:01:01 UTC permalink
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 29-Sep-2016 07:02:36 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Danyl Strype
      • Annah
      • Constance Variable
      @strypey @lnxw48 @maiyannah @lambadalambda Hangouts unfederating, G+ not evolving OStatus are big sins. Alphabet is just a standard reorg.
      In conversation Thursday, 29-Sep-2016 07:02:36 UTC permalink
    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 29-Sep-2016 07:06:57 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      in reply to
      • Danyl Strype
      • Annah
      @strypey @maiyannah Oh yes. Since Sergey's return in 2011, Google's been focused on doing less and earning more, that's basically official.
      In conversation Thursday, 29-Sep-2016 07:06:57 UTC permalink
    • Danyl Strype (strypey@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 30-Sep-2016 12:08:28 UTC Danyl Strype Danyl Strype
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      • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
      • lnxw48 (Linux Walt)
      • Annah
      • Constance Variable
      @clacke @lnxw48 @maiyannah @lambadalambda Re: Wave, have you used Kune? http://qttr.at/1gph
      In conversation Friday, 30-Sep-2016 12:08:28 UTC permalink

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    • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Sunday, 02-Oct-2016 13:09:50 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
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      • Danyl Strype
      @strypey Heard about #Kune but thought it was just Apache #Wave. Seems to be a bit morr than that.
      In conversation Sunday, 02-Oct-2016 13:09:50 UTC permalink

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