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!gnusocial really needs the ability for users and admins to block all content coming from a specific server. Blocking a user still shows their posts in /main/all … Definitely need the ability to block a hub as well as a user. Yes it's censorship. The right to speak freely must not impugn the rights of others not to be forced to hear/ read speech they might find offensive.
- @mcscx@quitter.se repeated this.
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@cyberczar Ab-so-lutely! I have users over here complaining about adult content in /main/all from e.g.your node. I don't care about porn in people's timelines but I don't want to somehow advertise with it on my node.
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Agreed. User definitely needs to be in control, but so does the Admin.
The admin needs, and must, have ultimate control, because it's the admin that's footing the bill most often, and the one that's going to be held accountable for the content that appears.
If a node popped-up in … let's say … Texas … that was speficically for neo-nazis and white supremacists preaching about Hitler and the Third Reich and how the holocaust was a hoax… !gnusocial operators in Germany would be REQUIRED to block all content coming from that node, because that type of speech is against the law in Germany.
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@cyberczar I know but I want to show that there's other nodes (and users of course) as well.
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!GNUsocial is !FreeSoftware. If the current contributors don't bake in the ability to block users/groups/tags/instances then someone else will fork the code and do it. And as long as it stays Free Software someone else can fork that code and remove it again.
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Freedom of speech does not grant one freedom of an audience.
!GNUsocial admins should have the ability to decide the content and audience of their node.
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@lnxw48 #XMPP servers generally already support blocking other nodes by domain name. It's maybe more sensitive in a public environment like this, but rather than "opposing networks" (in a way that's correct though) I think end-users will be encouraged to have multiple accounts in various sub-fediverses :)
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@hikerus I think you should probably read what @bobjonkman2 writes again, perhaps try to think of it from a different perspective. He's not actually saying anything that opposes your statements.
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@simsa01 No, I won't show content from the foreign nodes that don't comply with German law.
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@simsa01 Yeah, sure, federation breaks down if notices are not shown in /main/all. Furthermore the sky will fall on all of us and we're all gonna die.
I won't discuss this thing anymore. Laws force me to do so and my personal opinion stands with this law. Adult content has to be accessible for everyone but I won't advertise it. I don't want to risk losing users just because of some dick pics on the start page.
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@martin @simsa01 No as they're all federating and always will.
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@simsa01 Simple thing: the federation techniques store it as a local copy on a server under German jurisdiction. And even if that aspect is left out: I open up access with no check of legal age which is a risk of lawyer's letters I want to avoid.
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@martin I don't get it either.
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@simsa01 No, that asumption is way too theoretical and will not work. There is a file (a copy of a file from somewhere) on a server in Germany, ran by a German company and administrated by some German guy. Guess who will be held responsible for the file.
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@simsa01 Might be, that's a theoretical case. The thing is: I neither have the money nor have the time to fight in court for some sort of strange "free speech" issue caused by porn pics. So the best way to avoid that is to hide it *from start page* (!!!). No blocking, no censorship, just not letting it get through to public on the systems I'm responsible for. That's all.
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@simsa01 That's what I want to be fixed. Replies are okay, remote posts will get pulled in but not shown.
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@simsa01 As soon as I get aware of problematic content, I'm trying to fix that. Which is okay for German laws. But for nodes spilling problematic content on and on I will have to fix it somehow permanently.
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@simsa01 Sure. Where it's not accessible by the public, only by users. Problem solved.
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@simsa01 Yes. That for the ToS have to be expanded with s.th. like "be aware that there can be adult content around".
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@simsa01 Think of it similar to FSK18 landing pages where one has to state his age and/or to tick a box to accept the risk of seeing nudity etc.
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@simsa01 Exactly.
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@simsa01 I think so, but I never looked in too deep. German laws on porn are very relaxed. In contrast to that see e.g. the UK where they started blocking porn on home routers some years ago. I guess a good starting point to read is this article: https://gnusocial.de/url/2721052
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@simsa01 No, not at all. Many points rose only due to the past wave(s) of new users. I guess there just was no need to talk about earlier.
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@simsa01 Don't spread my opinion on all other admins. I'm sure others have a very different view on that issue.
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@simsa01 Sure thing, you're welcome.
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