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1. Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:14:08 UTC Mike McCue

   The network effect for #ActivityPub is gaining some serious momentum right now. As more services adopt the protocol, more people, more communities and more content are added to the network making it increasingly more valuable for everyone. This will only accelerate in the coming months as Threads, Wordpress, Tumblr, Flipboard and others federate.

   We're still in early innings but there's no way to put this genie back in the bottle. The open social Web / the #Fediverse is going to be huge.

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   • Petra van Cronenburg (naturemc@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:14:12 UTC Petra van Cronenburg

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     • Albert Cardona

     @mike @albertcardona Some instances already started defederation: https://fedipact.online/ (and everybody can block Threads personally, too).
     But I'm not sure if Mastodon is secured against "Embrace, extend, and extinguish": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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   • Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:14:13 UTC Mike McCue

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     • Albert Cardona

     @albertcardona if that happens most people will de-federate with their instance.

   • Albert Cardona (albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:14:14 UTC Albert Cardona

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     @mike

     Sounds good, but what's the plan for handling the fallout of Meta slurping in the whole social graph of Mastodon and using it for their own nefarious purposes?

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:32:34 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Kaj Kandler

     The Fediverse has lived under three protocols: OpenMicroBlogging (XMPP-based, 2008), OStatus (2009-2017), ActivityPub (2018–).

     OStatus was indeed built on something very similar to RSS, it was Atom plus a few more protocols to handle push, comments and other things.

     The reason OStatus was abandoned was that the stack of protocols was difficult to implement and difficult to extend. ActivityPub was intended to improve on it, and judging from the number of implementations, it seems it did.

     @mike @kajkandler

   • Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:32:35 UTC Mike McCue

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     • Kaj Kandler

     @kajkandler This is a really good question because ActivityPub is similar to RSS with two really important differences. 1) ActivityPub is two way. While RSS broadcasts content it does not have a way to know if someone liked, boosted or commented on that content. 2) RSS forms a connection between a blog and an RSS app. ActivityPub forms a follow connection between an account and another account. This means if you move from one reader app to another the connection is maintained.

   • Kaj Kandler (kajkandler@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 11:32:38 UTC Kaj Kandler

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     @mike Question: What is the difference/innovation of Activity Pub over RSS for a blog/CMS like Wordpress?

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 16:18:28 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗
     • Kaj Kandler

     @liaizon OpenMicroBlogging was created for laconi.ca and only ever implemented by laconi.ca and a shortlived project OpenMicroBlogger that wanted to federate. Google and friends were not involved.

     > When I first designed StatusNet in the Spring of 2008, there were no distributed social networking protocols. So, I made one up. OpenMicroBlogging (OMB) 0.1 [ . . . ]

     
     web.archive.org/web/2011072019…

     @kajkandler @mike

   • ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗ (liaizon@social.wake.st)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 16:18:29 UTC ˗ˏˋ wakest ˎˊ˗

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
     • Kaj Kandler

     @clacke @mike @kajkandler was OpenMicroBlogging really the start? That came out of the OpenSocial project that was sorta associated with MySpace and Orkut/Google if I remember right?

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 16:18:31 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Kaj Kandler

     @kajkandler @mike RSS + WebSub + WebMention together offer similar functionality as ActivityPub, as does OStatus.

     The major thing missing is message scopes that allow follower-only posts and direct messages. In addition, AP has acquired extensions over the years, like reaction emojis.