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Mikel Forcada EA5IYL (ea5iyl@mastodon.radio)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 09:30:42 UTC Mikel Forcada EA5IYL

Keep proprietary digital modes off ham radio!
https://ea5iyl.blogspot.com/2023/08/keep-proprietary-digital-modes-off-ham.html

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- Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 09:30:25 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
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  - Ossi OH8HUB
  - Christian HB9HOX
  @oh8hub "Nobody is forced to use it" is always used as an argument for convenience over openness and interoperability and it's only mostly true at best.
  @Ea5iyl @hb9hox
  
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- Ossi OH8HUB (oh8hub@mastodon.radio)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 09:30:29 UTC Ossi OH8HUB
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  - Christian HB9HOX
  @Ea5iyl @clacke @hb9hox I'd love to see volunteers taking the challenge and start implementing open source version or competing alternative to VARA.
  But while we're waiting, I'm happy to see the project continuously evolving and being used in real world.
  We are not entitled to push down a project if at the same time we do not ourselves step up and provide alternative. There's too much hate and negativity in the world already.
  Nobody is forced to use it. And many users area happy with it.
  
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- Mikel Forcada EA5IYL (ea5iyl@mastodon.radio)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 09:30:34 UTC Mikel Forcada EA5IYL
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  @oh8hub @clacke @hb9hox You did not mention the band for your 1000 km QSO, but I get the point. But my point was not about performance, but rather about transparency, openness and understanding, and how it relates to what one could call the ham spirit. There is no *understanding* here because the VARA developers (as ROS developers) have decided to hide their success behind a secret algorithm (which, by the way, has a bandwidth of 2 kHz [compare that to the few Hz taken by CW or PSK or FT8]).
  
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- Mikel Forcada EA5IYL (ea5iyl@mastodon.radio)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 09:30:35 UTC Mikel Forcada EA5IYL
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  @oh8hub @clacke @hb9hox I know that idiom well. And my question was absolutely intentional, about the object or aim. What job? What do you accomplish?
  
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- Ossi OH8HUB (oh8hub@mastodon.radio)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 09:30:35 UTC Ossi OH8HUB
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  - Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
  - Christian HB9HOX
  @Ea5iyl @clacke @hb9hox VARA HF accomplishes a successful digital two way communication between two amateur radio stations.
  I can send Winlink email from my portable station in Oulu to a station in Oslo using just 10W of power. That's 1000km QSO.
  The speed is adjust automatically to conditions. With good propagation I can see nice transfer speeds, but with bad propagation or interference it still can function, but with lower speeds.
  I've not yet found another tool with similar performance.
  
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- Ossi OH8HUB (oh8hub@mastodon.radio)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 09:30:36 UTC Ossi OH8HUB
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  - Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
  - Christian HB9HOX
  @clacke @Ea5iyl @hb9hox It's a idiom for accomplishing something.
  https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/(someone%2fsomething)+gets+the+job+done
  
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- Ossi OH8HUB (oh8hub@mastodon.radio)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 09:30:37 UTC Ossi OH8HUB
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  @hb9hox @Ea5iyl I'm advocate of open source also. But it is not simple. If you do it for your freetime then the burden of maintenance is a real chore. And you still need to have your day job. Alternative is to sell your product and work it full time to pay the bills.
  Innovation (closed source or not) is the key. Moving forward is key. Competition is good. If someone steps up with FOSS competitor for VARA: Good! But if not then we continue using VARA because it gets the job done.
  
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- Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 09:30:37 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
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  @oh8hub @Ea5iyl @hb9hox If it's HAM radio, what is the "job" to "get done"?
  
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- Christian HB9HOX (hb9hox@mastodon.radio)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 09:30:41 UTC Christian HB9HOX
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  @Ea5iyl For me, #AmateurRadio is about experimentation and learning. #FreeOpenSourceSoftware and #FreeOpenHardware is key to this.
  And no, it is not free as in free beer, but free as in free speech.
  An alternative would be easy accessible documentation with easy to understand specifications. But I ofthen find it hard, if not impossible, to find any documentation. And if I do, I usually struggle to understand.
  
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- Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 05-Oct-2023 13:13:29 UTC Sexy Moon
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  @clacke locked down software development is antisocial behavior
  
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- Mikel Forcada EA5IYL (ea5iyl@mastodon.radio)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 12:21:14 UTC Mikel Forcada EA5IYL
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  @oh8hub @clacke @hb9hox When the encoding is performed using an undocumented and undisclosed method, yes.
  
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- Ossi OH8HUB (oh8hub@mastodon.radio)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 12:21:15 UTC Ossi OH8HUB
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  - Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
  - Christian HB9HOX
  @Ea5iyl @clacke @hb9hox ITU Radio Regulations Edition of 2020 Vol I article 25.2A is probably what you're refering to:
  "Transmissions between amateur stations of different countries shall not be encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except for control signals exchanged between earth command stations and space stations in the amateur-satellite service."
  Here your argument seems to be that a modulation and/or encoding a message is equal to obscuring a meaning?
  
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- Mikel Forcada EA5IYL (ea5iyl@mastodon.radio)'s status on Friday, 06-Oct-2023 12:21:16 UTC Mikel Forcada EA5IYL
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  @clacke @oh8hub @hb9hox My stance is even more radical. I'm in favour of *prohibiting* the use of digital modes which are undocumented and closed-source and therefore effectively *encrypt* ham radio traffic for anyone who is not using the closed hardware or software. Ham radio communications should always be in the clear.
  
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- EA7KRC Martin (ea7krc@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Tuesday, 28-Nov-2023 22:54:50 UTC EA7KRC Martin
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  @Ea5iyl
  I've argued this point for years, as you point out it isn't amateur radio.
  This to me goes hand in hand with amateurs charging for software etc. Designs should as with s/w be open source. Otherwise your a business and shouldn't associate your callsign with it.
  
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