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1. mhoye (mhoye@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 01:27:42 UTC mhoye

   I guess this seems petty, considering where I work, but if you forcibly disable Microsoft Edge - find the executable, right-click your way into the properties -> security options, choose "change", "disable inheritance" and remove all permissions from it... the whole Windows _experience_ just gets better? No ads in interface, no pestering you to change browsers when you upgrade, none of that? It's all just gone?

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   • Andreas (andreasio@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 01:28:06 UTC Andreas

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     @mhoye i am on windows corp. Managed pc. The advertising is only on home edition? Not pro /enterprise?

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 01:29:11 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Andreas
     @andreasio @mhoye Thank you, that makes sense and explains my confusion.
     
     99% of my interaction with Windows is from corporate machines and of course they would have the premium "don't spam me" feature.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 01:30:04 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Andreas
     the Ryanair of operating systems
     
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   • Be (be@floss.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 04:00:17 UTC Be

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     • Zack Weinberg

     @mhoye @zwol Apparently every company is an advertising company now.

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   • Zack Weinberg (zwol@hackers.town)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 04:00:18 UTC Zack Weinberg

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     @mhoye It’s sad because the _idea_ behind IE integration—build the web into the OS, instead of reconstructing an OS inside the web—was brilliant. But it was deployed in service of Microsoft’s business model and thus ruined for everyone, including the universe outside Windows, forever.

   • mhoye (mhoye@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 04:00:18 UTC mhoye

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     • Zack Weinberg

     @zwol The thing that kills me is that it _isn't_ Microsoft's business model. They're not an advertising company, and they're terrible at it.

   • mhoye (mhoye@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 04:00:19 UTC mhoye

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     You know that first time you installed an ad blocker and got to experience the whole "the internet, except we have clean running water and penicillin now" feeling? It's like that at the operating system level. It's really, really remarkable.

     (Linux people: I get it. I know. If you didn't get your first distro on _one floppy disk_ I've been doing this longer than you. I'm on Windows because most of our users are.)

   • mhoye (mhoye@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 04:00:27 UTC mhoye

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     • brennen

     @zwol @carcinopithecus @brennen there’s a guy on Twitter whose whole gag is drawing an arrow on various economic graphs that points to the moment Reagan was elected. He has a lot of material to work with.

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   • Zack Weinberg (zwol@hackers.town)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 04:00:28 UTC Zack Weinberg

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     • brennen

     @carcinopithecus @brennen @mhoye there are a _lot_ of things wrong with the USA today that would be less wrong if Reagan hadn't changed antitrust enforcement policy.

   • 🦀🦍≢ (carcinopithecus@x0r.be)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 04:00:29 UTC 🦀🦍≢

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     • brennen

     @brennen @mhoye @zwol all this suddenly reminds me of the overturning of roe v. wade

     like, we had that big victory with the antitrust stuff with IE way back in the day and the forces of evil just became totally obsessed and all these decades never stopped until they finally made a breakthrough by sheer attrition

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   • brennen (brennen@federation.p1k3.com)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 04:00:30 UTC brennen

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     • Zack Weinberg

     @mhoye @zwol it feels like the "build the web in" part sort of happened ages back with other goals and the web is just so poisoned that of course advertising was going to leak into it sooner or later? that may not really be a good model, it might just be way more that adtech is inescapable in any commercial product one way or another at this point, but still.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 04:00:47 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • M. Forester
     @mforester @mhoye For real though I discovered the other day that Edge could open a PDF Acrobat Reader couldn't.
   • M. Forester (mforester@rollenspiel.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Jun-2022 04:00:48 UTC M. Forester

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     @mhoye
     I gotta try this!!! Just yesterday I wanted to open a PDF and for whatever reason Edge had slimed it's way into the defaults for that. 😡