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1. aadil (aadil@merveilles.town)'s status on Monday, 04-Apr-2022 12:49:28 UTC aadil

   So many people saying they're switching from Firefox. Won't this only make the problem worse?

   If you're switching to Brave or qutebrowser or UnGoogled Chromium or something, you're only strengthening Google's monopoly. If you're switching to a Webkit-based browser like Epiphany, you're shifting the monopoly towards Safari, whose parent company doesn't consider the Web a priority.

   That Mozilla has bad management doesn't change the fact that Firefox is the most viable option for the open web.

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   • Sam Whited (sam@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Apr-2022 06:52:05 UTC Sam Whited

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     • jollyrogue

     @jollyrogue @aadil I don't disagree, Mozilla isn't great, and if there were some good community alternative we might consider switching. The original post was about people switching to Chrome though, or at least, that's how I understood it. Not switching to some other alternative maintained by a better entity.

   • Sam Whited (sam@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Apr-2022 06:52:06 UTC Sam Whited

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     • jollyrogue

     @jollyrogue @aadil Not to mention the privilege inherent in that sort of cynicism. If we all say "well, it doesn't matter, Chrome won" and switch, then Firefox goes under I might not notice a few thousand more trackers, you might not notice a few thousand more trackers, but the person who gets arrested after some far right group buys data about everyone who searches "underground abortion clinic" in Texas will notice. Support Firefox so others can be a tiny bit safer.

   • jollyrogue@bsd.network's status on Wednesday, 06-Apr-2022 06:52:06 UTC jollyrogue

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     • Sam Whited

     @sam @aadil It doesn’t look like FF is going to be safer in the future, which is the problem.

     I don’t use Chrome, and I’m not going to use anything Chrome based. I’ve been very loyal to FF since the Phoenix days, so I’ve been doing my part.

     Now is the time to find alternatives which do respect people’s privacy, and get them into shape while FF is still a decent option.

     By the way, in your scenario the people are probably all using Chrome even if people tell them not to. People don’t take OpSec seriously.

   • jollyrogue@bsd.network's status on Wednesday, 06-Apr-2022 06:52:07 UTC jollyrogue

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     • Sam Whited

     @aadil @sam The problem is as bad as it can get. The house has burned down, and the time to put out the fire was when it started.

     The time to not switch away from FF was ten years ago. People switching today don’t even matter. They are an insignificant number.

     Google Chrome is the web, and Web Devs haven’t cared about FF for a long time.

   • Sam Whited (sam@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Apr-2022 06:52:07 UTC Sam Whited

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     • jollyrogue

     @jollyrogue @aadil That's still not a good reason to switch. Fatalism just makes it less likely that things ever change.