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1. Sam (pavot@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 12-Mar-2022 10:39:06 UTC Sam

   So what's the word on Azov?

   • Sam (pavot@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 12-Mar-2022 10:39:03 UTC Sam

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     • Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal:

     @sotolf I'm getting a lot of "as long as they're willing to pick up weapons and fight that's okay with me" kind of responses, but I just find the whole thing peculiar.

   • Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal: (sotolf@fosstodon.org)'s status on Saturday, 12-Mar-2022 10:39:04 UTC Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal:

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     @pavot Yeah, I'm quite confused about them, they do use very close to neonazi iconography like the wolfsangel and it seem to have quite some neo-nazi members, but on the other hand I can't really tell if they are just far right, or if they are extreme far right in the neo-nazi sense. it's kind of hard to say for sure. At least for the time being they are doing work to help repelling the invasion. But yeah, not my kind of people, but I don't know enough to know well.

   • kravietz 🦇 (kravietz@agora.echelon.pl)'s status on Saturday, 12-Mar-2022 11:01:17 UTC kravietz 🦇

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     • Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal:
     @sotolf
     
     Azov has officially denounced neo-Nazi ideology and admitted that maybe 10-20% of their members do share these views, but it's their private matter. That's about 200 people in army of 200'000 soldiers.
     
     To put that in context, there's a openly neo-Nazi subdivision in Wagner group (Russia), a group of neo-Nazis was in 2018 discovered by journalists among high German army officers, and in the US neo-Nazi symbolics and public marches are protected under First Amendment.
     
     @pavot
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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 12-Mar-2022 11:42:22 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal:
     • kravietz 🦇
     @kravietz I've very skeptical of the claims of neonazi and white power organizations when they announce that "this ideology is no longer allowed" or "only X% of our members subscribe to this ideology".
     
     We have our own example of a "non-white-power" party in Sweden, founded by neonazis and "preserve Sweden Swedish" activists, but officially "no longer racists". The throw out people from time to time for being too overt about their racist views, but are still led by people who joined during their officially racist era, people who joined because they were attracted to the racism.
     
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   • Sexy Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 12-Mar-2022 15:19:08 UTC Sexy Moon

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
     • Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal:
     • kravietz 🦇
     @clacke @kravietz @pavot @sotolf
     
     > in the US neo-Nazi symbolics and public marches are protected under First Amendment.
     
     The military rules are unspecific but if you get found out you are removed. They check you for tattoos during your physical examination when you sign up.
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