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1. Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 03:44:52 UTC Hallå Kitteh

   • kat
   • Stephen Michael Kellat
   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
   @lnxw48a1 @kat @alpacaherder I don't get the reasoning "people refer to Evan too much in discussions".
   
   It's not because Evan has final say in anything, he has handed over the project. It's just that maybe some of the code needs his feedback because it's not clearly documented or tested. A fork won't resolve that, on the contrary it will just make communication and cooperation more difficult.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 03:57:47 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • kat
     • Annah
     • Stephen Michael Kellat
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @maiyannah @kat @alpacaherder @lnxw48a1 I'm not saying Evan is responsive. I'm saying I don't get how his being busy motivates the fork and how the fork helps.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 04:01:03 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • kat
     • Eugen 🎄
     • Stephen Michael Kellat
     @gargron @kat @alpacaherder It explicitly has the aim to implement ActivityPub and it shouldn't be too much effort to accomplish. It's just that strugee is the main person making changes and he's pretty tied up.
     
     If these people do it, great, pump can merge their changes.
     
     The usual reason for forking is that some gatekeeper is not responsive, but they just forked out of the blue, there's no queue of unreviewed commits from them.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 04:02:02 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Annah
     @maiyannah I'm assuming you talked to matt and others and found them unresponsive or unwilling to merge your patches.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 04:16:08 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • kat
     @clacke @kat I just left a nastier than usual comment.  They're trying to "fix" things that Evan said were huge issues.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 04:17:18 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • kat
     @clacke @kat The user deletion problem isn't all that simple due to the very possible distributed corruption of databases issue.
     Hallå Kitteh likes this.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 04:18:16 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • kat
     @clacke @kat The platform switch of Identica was through an Events Replay so unwinding those events might be the only way to delete someone
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 04:19:22 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • kat
     @clacke @kat I think Evan tried that once in anger to somebody and it didn't work right even then.  There is research to be done.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 04:20:03 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • kat
     @clacke @kat Oh, wait, it was johnnynull that he did it to if memory serves.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 04:22:00 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • kat
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @clacke @kat @lnxw48a1 That's the other nasty part.  The forking forkers don't want a benevolent dictator/single maintainer. 
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 04:23:10 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • kat
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @clacke @kat @lnxw48a1 Prior to Evan coming up with StatusNet originally, what else was there that did what it did other than Twitter?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 05:32:41 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • kat
     • Stephen Michael Kellat
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @alpacaherder @kat @lnxw48a1 Nobody insists on having a benevolent dictator. strugee is just the only person willing to take responsibility for the code base. Have they even asked him for the commit bit?
     
     I'm not super angry about them forking, it just seems counterproductive. Everything they want to do is already registered as issues on the mother project, they could just start solving them. Now there are two places to track issues.
     Stephen Michael Kellat repeated this.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 05:35:01 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • kat
     • Stephen Michael Kellat
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     • Ocean Man 🌊
     @lnxw48a1 @kat @alpacaherder I have read and heard several people lately reminiscing on the early days of microblogging, there were several things in the air in 2008, free and proprietary.
     
     Probably that audio interview with evan recently, and that written interview @deadsuperhero had with @mike@macgirvin.com .
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 05:41:32 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     Hmm, https://changelog.com/podcast/257 is the Evan interview I was thinking of, I think, but it doesn't mention many networks.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 05:43:42 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     https://medium.com/we-distribute/got-zot-mike-macgirvin-45287601ff19 is the interview with mike, but it only mentions appleseed and 6d apart from what has already been mentioned.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 05:44:22 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • kat
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @clacke @kat @lnxw48a1 They're looking at the problems other than ActivityPub as "easy".  I'm worried they're going to have a dumpster fire.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 05:59:28 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • kat
     • Stephen Michael Kellat
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     • forteller
     @lnxw48a1 @kat @alpacaherder I found some posts from 2008 and the hot names seem to have been Pownce, Jaiku, Plurk, Twitter, FriendFeed and "identi.ca" (federation is hard to grasp!). Also tumblr, if one includes that in microblogging.
     
     Here's one:
     
     http://conniebensen.com/2008/07/04/twitter-friendfeed-jaiku-pownce-plurk-identica/
     
     Wow, didn't know Bambuser existed already back in 2008:
     
     https://bambuser.blogspot.com/2008/09/integration-with-friendfeed-identica.html
     
     I see surprisingly little talk of Yammer, which launched in 2008, but maybe is wasn't well-known until 2009. I remember considering it the greatest threat to StatusNet, which wasn't a name for GS until 2009.
     
     I happened upon the point in history where @forteller entered the Fediverse for the first time. :-)
     
     https://pthree.org/2008/07/02/identica/
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 06:26:43 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     March 2009:
     
     > With services such as Qaiku, Twitbear, Bloggy and others being created it shows that the vacuum created by Jaiku’s downtime has created a new market for microblogging.
     
     https://social.heldscal.la/url/906536
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 01-Nov-2017 09:05:45 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Bob Jonkman
     @bobjonkman It is the same person, though!
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 02-Nov-2017 05:26:10 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Bob Jonkman
     @bobjonkman Nope. :-)