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1. Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 22:46:22 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

   • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
   @takeshitakenji what are your top five programming languages you like to use, rated ascending; and what languages do you refuse to use?
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   • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔ (takeshitakenji@gs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 22:51:15 UTC 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔

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     @moonman That's a hard question to answer.  I'll use different languages depending on what I'm doing.
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   • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔ (takeshitakenji@gs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 22:59:35 UTC 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔

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     @moonman I usually use Python for scripting, text processing, web backend development, and similar stuff, but I'll use Perl if the task is more suited to it. A good example is Perl one-liners. I'll sometimes use awk for certain kinds of text processing out of habit.
     
     For the game I'm messing around with writing, I'm using C++ with STL shared pointers and containers. I'll usually do that when doing high-level programming with libraries that aren't readily available in Python, too. I'll do C if I don't need object-oriented programming, but I have worked with glib before. I've also written Python modules in C when I need libraries without a Python interface, but also prefer Python for most of the other code.
     
     I almost never write GUI applications, but I've been known to previously use PyGTK, PyQt/PySide, straight GTK, and straight Qt.
     
     I hate web frontend development, but I'll write JavaScript if necessary. I avoid using jQuery as much as possible because it makes my eyes bleed.
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   • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔ (takeshitakenji@gs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 22:59:44 UTC 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔

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     @moonman I'm comfortable with regular expressions, multithreading in both high-level and mid-level forms, and writing SQL queries by hand. Heck, I never use DBO layers in my programs.
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   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:03:12 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     @takeshitakenji dtluna started work on a python server-side-only ostatus implementation, I am trying to figure out how to best balance my time. I am decent at python also. Need a core that is pervasively multithreaded and asynchronous and stateless.
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   • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔ (takeshitakenji@gs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:06:13 UTC 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔

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     @moonman I hate to say it, but you aren't going to get good multithreading with standard CPython.  The GIL will forever be in the way of that.
     
     If you could move some intensive stuff into a C module, you can do whatever you want.  You could also try another Python implementation, but they're all lagging far behind CPython.  It'd be interesting to try PyPy, but I don't know how much that'd buy you.
     
     You could also use the multiprocessing module with a queue, kind of how GS's PHP fakes multithreading.  Python has a built-in queue that's part of the module, though, so no fucking around with custom implementations.  You could easily use RabbitMQ, of course.
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   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:09:09 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

     • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
     @takeshitakenji looks like there's an implementation of python2 for the .NET CLR that doesn't have GIL but I suspect that's just trading one set of problems for another.
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   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:10:15 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     @hardbass2k8 @takeshitakenji I can build a tank in Java. I've made webapps that have handled over 40,000 simultaneous users on a single server. but it takes a lot of time to learn how to do things "right"
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   • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔ (takeshitakenji@gs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:10:16 UTC 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔

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     @moonman IronPython is only at Python 2.7, just like Jython.
     
     I'd imagine dtluna's implementation is targeting Python 3, which neither implementation supports.
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   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:12:19 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
     @takeshitakenji yes.
     
     I still want to contribute to his project but I want to make the fastest motherfucking core possible.
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   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:13:30 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     @takeshitakenji @hardbass2k8 @archaeme My first stab is using Vert.X and RxJava, but I'm having second thoughts simply because there aren't readily available and good libraries for some things I don't want to recreate the wheel on.
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   • Constance Variable (lambadalambda@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:16:22 UTC Constance Variable

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     • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
     @moonman @takeshitakenji judging from some very preliminary benchmarks pleroma backend should be able to handle lots of users too, especially once the client uses a push system. Erlang's VM is a really nice platform for concurrent stuff.
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   • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔ (takeshitakenji@gs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:18:28 UTC 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔

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     @hardbass2k8 @moonman If you want to see something popular that was built by people who didn't know how to build the type of thing, check out Apache Maven.
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   • Annah (maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:21:56 UTC Annah

     • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
     @takeshitakenji @moonman What most games and similar do that take this approach is they build the backend in C/C++ and then wrap a Python or Lua interpreter for game logic.
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   • Annah (maiyannah@community.highlandarrow.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:22:27 UTC Annah

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     • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
     @moonman @takeshitakenji NakedMud is simultaneously an interesting google search and a good example of this kind of thing in action (used to power a MUD)
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   • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔ (takeshitakenji@gs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:24:10 UTC 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔

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     @moonman @hardbass2k8 STL C++ really doesn't get in the way for me like lower-level C does.  Sure, the manual malloc() and free() stuff is a fun exercise, but it adds tons of boilerplate as the codebase expands.
     
     And if you don't use any RTTI stuff or exception handling, STL C++ isn't too slow and bloated.
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   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:27:58 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     @takeshitakenji @hardbass2k8 I last used STL back in the days when a mistake would generate 10,000 lines of error messages. Also the last time I used C++, not coincidentally.
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   • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔ (takeshitakenji@gs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:29:47 UTC 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔

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     @moonman And on the note of PHP: I don't really hate it, but I wouldn't use it if given the choice, as Python does a great job of web backend stuff.  The GS codebase is cancerous, though.
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   • mona (mona@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:29:55 UTC mona

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     @moonman @maiyannah  wow that sounds tough. to be honest when I first researched gnu social (when this server was just brand now) I couldn't find any serious specification - i feel like it's 'spec. by implementation'. Hope things are better now.
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   • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔ (takeshitakenji@gs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:32:40 UTC 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔

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     @moonman I know I'm drawing this out, but I should probably mention this: I don't understand Node.js at all.  I hate being forced to use JavaScript in browsers, so I'd never find using it as a general-purpose programming language appealing.
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   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:37:13 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     @takeshitakenji I was considering switching to node because of how many libraries there are and how much stuff is already written to be used asynchronously. but I am just not sure yet. I've done so little code so far switching wouldn't be so bad, but to be honest I find working on JS on anything other than a toy project to be brain numbing.
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   • Hattie Cat (hattiecat@quitter.no)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:43:41 UTC Hattie Cat

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     @takeshitakenji @moonman Javascript is even more suck in some ways than PHP, if that were possible. https://quitter.no/attachment/1047703
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   • Constance Variable (lambadalambda@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 30-Mar-2017 23:48:46 UTC Constance Variable

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     • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
     @moonman @takeshitakenji don't do it. Js library and tooling quality is extremely bad.
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   • Mitchell (stitchxd@gnusocial.me)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2017 00:00:04 UTC Mitchell

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     @moonman @takeshitakenji @hattiecat FirefoxOS was a really good concept - using the gecko engine for the OS and Plugins/apps made it super simple to port code from Firefox to the OS itself. But no one wanted it. Ubuntu Touch (Ubuntu Personal Now) is a MUCH better alt to Android ;) When I had my N5 I used ubuntu touch as my Daily Driver. Never had issues (Other than bluetooth stereo headset's didnt work but that wasnt a deal breaker) And I was able to literally run ALL my software from my computer on it. Had Apache2, MySQL, PHP, qBittorrent, Firefox, Chrome (To use netflix), VeraCrypt, Some pentesting tools becuase I constantly run audits on my own poop to make sure it is super secure. If you have the time - I would look into UT.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2017 15:54:14 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
     @takeshitakenji @moonman PyPy will never get rid of the GIL either, because it wants to stay compatible with CPython C extensions.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2017 15:54:34 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
     @moonman @takeshitakenji Same for Jython.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2017 15:56:08 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
     @takeshitakenji @moonman I was going to say that Jython handles both Py2 and Py3 in one binary, but then I realized I was mixing it up with JRuby. :-)
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2017 15:56:56 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @moonman @takeshitakenji @archaeme @hardbass2k8 Oh yeah, maybe you're the one who mentioned Vert.X the other month. I've been wanting to take a look at that for years.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Friday, 31-Mar-2017 16:01:09 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • 馬鹿野狐(ばかやこ)✔
     @maiyannah @takeshitakenji @moonman The Emacs model for building software really is something to learn from.
     
     http://wiki.c2.com/?AlternateHardAndSoftLayers
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 10:29:30 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @lambadalambda @takeshitakenji @moonman JS has a few quirks, but overall isn't any worse than Python, really. And some of the 400k packages are genuinely useful and well done, my colleagues tell me, and I trust their judgement.
   • Constance Variable (lambadalambda@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 10:32:28 UTC Constance Variable

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     @clacke @takeshitakenji @moonman the language is OK, but the whole ecosystem around it sucks. Also, nodejs isn't actually fast or good at concurrency.
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     @lambadalambda @takeshitakenji @moonman Well, it solves concurrency by not doing it. Just like Python. Difference being that after ten years, Python still hasn't sorted it out.
     
     Node is faster than can be reasonably expected.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 10:42:16 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @mona @moonman @maiyannah Things are worse now.
   • majestyx (majestyx@gnusocial.no)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 10:43:17 UTC majestyx

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     @lambadalambda @clacke @takeshitakenji @moonman take a look to https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/ #ilovefs
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     @hattiecat @takeshitakenji @moonman All of this is basically worse-is-better, and I support it. I'm waiting for an excuse to get into Node.
   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 10:47:38 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     @stitchxd I'm not on a supported platform for Ubuntu Touch, or I'd be running it now, good to hear it's gotten a lot better.
     
     My two major interests in FirefoxOS was 1. Mozilla as a trusted steward (this has been reduced greatly lately) 2. web applications bypass app store censorship/monopoly.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 10:48:24 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @majestyx @lambadalambda @takeshitakenji @moonman 100% orthogonal to the discussion.
   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 10:51:54 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     @clacke @takeshitakenji @hattiecat this npm webpack yarn grunt bullshit has to stop. imagine if unix was invented by javascript programmers instead of dennis richie and ken thompson
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     @moonman @takeshitakenji Back to the original question!
     
     Judging by my volume and proven capability:
     
     1. Python
     2. Ruby
     3. Bash
     4. Java
     5. C#
     
     Languages I would enjoy working with, based on some reasonable amount of prior exposure, but maybe I don't because I haven't reached whipuptitude on everyday problems:
     
     1. Scheme (e.g. Guile)
     2. Python
     3. Node
     4. C#
     5. Java
     
     Languages I imagine I would enjoy working with, if I learned them, and they are on my TODO list to check out:
     
     1. Haskell
     2. D
     3. Rust
     4. OCaml
     5. CL
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 11:01:15 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @takeshitakenji @moonman Refuse: Basically nothing, not even PHP or Visual Basic.
     
     Line-number Basic, like C64 Basic, with zero package abstractions and 100% broken naming mechanism. That I would refuse. There is C even for C64.
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     @takeshitakenji @moonman Actually, maybe Picolisp is on my #4 of languages to check out and CL gets kicked out.
   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 11:04:06 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     @clacke @takeshitakenji one thing the apple II had that I wish the C64 had was a built in asm debugger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_code_monitor
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 11:08:19 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @moonman @takeshitakenji @hattiecat I think the main difference is lower thresholds of participation to npm compared to PDP-7. There are several K&R-grade people involved, but there are so many people that want to do so many things. It can be frustrating, but I don't view it as a real problem.
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     @moonman @takeshitakenji I had the C128. Having a machine code monitor was *awesome*.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 11:09:21 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @takeshitakenji @moonman Not a real programming tool, but still super educational.
   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 11:17:35 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     @clacke @takeshitakenji @hattiecat imo the language is getting better. but the ecosystem just keeps getting worse and I don't see an end game for these monstrosities that are being built and institutionalized
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   • Hattie Cat (hattiecat@quitter.no)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 11:53:44 UTC Hattie Cat

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     @clacke @moonman @takeshitakenji I have a friend whom I respect highly who thinks JS and node are wonderful because he can get a lot done with them. If it works for you then great. But the language itself has a lot of smells, the ecosystem is of variable quality and changes rapidly. https://quitter.no/attachment/1051826
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   • Hattie Cat (hattiecat@quitter.no)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 12:09:58 UTC Hattie Cat

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     @moonman @clacke @takeshitakenji Javascript was designed in a hurry and was only intended for small scripts in the browser, so was never designed for 'programming in the large' and flaws like representing all numbers as floats weren't considered so problematic. But as a 'runs anywhere' language it's being used well beyond how it was originally conceived, and these flaws are painful.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 12:49:47 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @moonman @takeshitakenji @hattiecat The trick is being selective in your view of what you consider to be the ecosystem. There is a lively stream and there is flotsam.
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     @takeshitakenji @moonman @hattiecat The end game is simply the good stuff displacing and obsoleting the bad stuff. In a hundred years, today's noise will still be noise.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 12:55:37 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @hattiecat @takeshitakenji @moonman Intentions don't matter.
     
     Nobody before McCarthy had considered using the lambda calculus as the actual basis for a language.
     
     JS was designed in a hurry, the lack of number types is a problem. But the world of code out there shows us that it is not the most important problem people need to solve.
   • Christmas Personified as a Catgirl (moonman@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 12:55:53 UTC Christmas Personified as a Catgirl

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     @hattiecat @takeshitakenji @clacke wasm will fix this, just add another layer!
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     @moonman Hilarious. And simultaneously, true.
   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Saturday, 01-Apr-2017 13:31:13 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     • Mitchell
     @stitchxd I don't know that no one wanted #FirefoxOS. It wasn't really available to the public. There were a couple of low-quality phones that never reached mainline distribution channels and the next thing I knew, they pulled the plug.
     
     I would have liked to for it to have gotten onto phones sold by the big four US carriers' distribution networks, so people would have had a choice.
     
     I'm sort of okay with #Android, but I honestly use it because my old Palm Pre (with #webOS) died and Apple's #iOS is pretty anti-user.
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     @lnxw48a1 @stitchxd I wanted #FirefoxOS, I thought the idea was brilliant.
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     @lnxw48a1 It was very public. In fact I believe there is a list of phones it was ported to (https://gnusocial.me/url/5358) And although the list itself is relatively small - a lot of the devices it was ported to were mainstream - I believe the dev community just wasn't strong enough for Mozilla to continue to develop it.
     
     WebOS was a decent idea too - I was actually a dev working to port that to the HTC Hero, and almost succeeded too.
     
     If you are up for android - get a phone that can run Lineage OS. IT is 100% Open Source and the devs are really good at updating it.
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     @moonman @takeshitakenji @hattiecat https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/unix-hoax.html
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     @stitchxd @lnxw48a1 Available to the public = available pre-installed on phones available for purchase in retail stores.
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     @clacke @moonman @takeshitakenji Fine if you go in with eyes open. Unless there are compelling reasons though, personally I'd rather not waste time having to sift wheat from chaff and invest time in learning something that could soon be obsolete.
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     @hattiecat @takeshitakenji @moonman I have friends to do the sifting for me. :-)
     
     There may be a lot of churn in npm, but I think anything we use can go obsolete, and there is a stable core of things that will stay around or be evolved with care.
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     @hattiecat I think I would probably have different approaches depending on whether I am throwing something together or building something long-term.
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     @hattiecat That was a fun account. Seems gone now. :(