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1. Björn Schießle (bes@io.schiessle.org)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 06:38:31 UTC Björn Schießle
   I'm really disappointed to see that more and more projects and initiatives are switching to proprietary communication platforms. This can't be the solution! https://io.schiessle.org/url/24365 #CreativeCommons #Slack
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   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 07:29:38 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     Wtf are #CreativeCommons doing there?!
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   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 07:30:03 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     • MMN-o ✅⃠
     #Slack is the opposite of a common and not even very creative!
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   • Petter SA2PKA Karkea (fnadde42@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 09:03:46 UTC Petter SA2PKA Karkea

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     @bes There is alternatives so I think it's irresponsible for #CreativeCommons who preach openness to use services like #Slack instead of FLOSS alternatives like #RocketChat https://rocket.chat
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   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 09:47:11 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     • Petter SA2PKA Karkea
     ...yeah, or just IRC. There are mobile friendly clients, clients integrated for web browser use, multiple desktop varieties. They could even pre-configure and brand a "Creative Commons chat client" since it's all !floss.
     
     IRC is excellent because it doesn't require a preregistered account, it is a common and well-spread means of communication, it can be integrated with !xmpp chatrooms if you control the server(s) etc. None of this is possible with Slack, at least not in any way that is future proof.
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   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 09:48:08 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     • Petter SA2PKA Karkea
     @fnadde42 (and since the community was already on IRC it's extremely weird to move _away_ from an open environment and lock the communication in with a proprietary vendor).
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   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 09:57:11 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     Btw, this means that noone who is the member of a country which has a trade embargo with the USA can become part of the "chatty" community of Creative Commons, right?
     
     Since everyone who uses Slack must become customers there.
   • Bob Mottram (bob@primatemind.info)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 10:06:19 UTC Bob Mottram

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     • Petter SA2PKA Karkea
     @mmn @fnadde42 It's always the case that if you don't care about freedom or having control over your systems then whenever the latest and trendiest chat app comes out then you'll switch to it in a heartbeat. Possibly the solution here could be Matrix. That way the trendy people can still use their trendy app until they find that the company which makes it never actually believed in openness and decides to turn it into a walled garden.
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   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 10:10:38 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Bob Mottram
     @bob They say their IRC channel is linked in with a bot to Slack (I guess just relaying "<SlackUser1> blah blah", eliminating tab completion).
     
     I'm curious however whether that's even allowed by Slack's EULA and - more importantly - what happens when Freenode notices an extremely spammy user (think ~20 Slack users communicating simultaneously, relaying everything to IRC).
   • Tom K (thomask@gs.sdf.org)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 10:36:12 UTC Tom K

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     @mmn @fnadde42 Consistent state and complete scrollback across multiple devices is a basic requirement of a multiuser chat system now. I know this is true because all serious IRC users have some complicated technique such as a bouncer, ssh+screen or irccloud to circumvent the problem. I've been playing with Matrix, which @bob mentioned, in the last day or two and I think it has real potential as a Slack killer. Their integration as an actual ircd in Freenode's network works surprisingly well.
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   • Björn Schießle (bes@io.schiessle.org)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 10:56:09 UTC Björn Schießle

     • Dirk Deimeke
     @ddeimeke I agree to some extend, but I think some of your arguments are to negative.
     GPG: yes, the web-of-trust is complicated. But I would argue that many people can just ignore it. For them it is simply "secure enough" to just encrypt the mail. How many people verify Signal fingerprints for Example? Almost nobody. And this is fine.
     IRC: there are Web services and clients (for desktop and mobile) which make IRC really easy and nice to work with. I never used Slack, but I talks to people who use it and saw some video tutorial. For me it is still not more than a nice user interface for stuff you can also do with IRC.
     At Nextcloud for example we decided to stick to IRC, Discourse and XMPP (internally) by purpose and I'm happy and proud that we took this decision.
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   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 13:02:48 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

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     @taknamay If you control the servers, you can create various methods of integrating the channel memberships/rosters.
   • Jarl Arntzen (jarlarntzen@quitter.no)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Oct-2016 13:44:38 UTC Jarl Arntzen

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     • Petter SA2PKA Karkea
     @mmn @fnadde42 I'd like to see Riot/Matrix.org used in the wild. Seems like an ideal solution on paper, at least.
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   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 23-Oct-2016 08:44:54 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Joshua Judson Rosen
     @rozzin Yeah and now they're happy about "wow, we have hundredsomething users, that's awesome" without realising that they will still likely just be idling and never partake in discussion because Slack will simply hide it when people ignore the channel since people now have only rushed in because they saw the notice about a new channel.
     
     Slack can't make people communicate in parallell more than with any other tool. For that we need to rewire our brains.
   • giaco el vecio (giaco@gnusocial.no)'s status on Sunday, 23-Oct-2016 21:08:29 UTC giaco el vecio

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     EFF use facebook and twitter for example...definitely something turns the wrong way in this world unfortunately.
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 28-Oct-2016 08:15:40 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Bob Mottram
     I agree w/ @bob, @thomask and @jarlarntzen: Should've just gone with #matrix. #riot as an IRC front-end rocks. Close to #slack usability.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 28-Oct-2016 09:14:45 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • giaco el vecio
     @giaco @bes Using facebook + twitter for external communications is different from encouraging internal discussion on a proprietary service.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 28-Oct-2016 11:49:18 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     @bes I hear #matrix has #slack integration ... But if this is a pre-existing IRC channel, should just recommend #riot instead of #slack.
   • Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Friday, 28-Oct-2016 11:56:44 UTC Bob Mottram

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     • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)
     @clacke @bes Riot seems to eat battery power, although I was subscribed to the main Matrix channel which is high traffic. It might be a similar problem to Antox though in that perhaps it indefinitely keeps the connection open, preventing the device from going into sleep mode.
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   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 28-Oct-2016 12:40:18 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob @bes I had a lot of trouble with #antox eating all my battery when I had one contact on there only, and we didn't talk for a day.
   • Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clackemovedtoheldscalla@quitter.se)'s status on Friday, 28-Oct-2016 12:41:54 UTC Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠)

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     • Bob Mottram
     @bob @bes With #riot I follow 1 Matrix and 2 IRC channels with some traffic, and 2 slightly busy IRC channels, no battery issues noticed.