someone wROTE ?? A THI NG A BOUT MY MUSIC ?????? WHAT THE FUCK http://chiptuneswin.com/blog/kumas-quick-shots-24/

@Cocoron The image in this cover is an example that might purport to treat religions the same, but uses racist images: https://andrewgripp.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/charlie_hebdo_cover_pope_rabbi_mullah.jpg?w=640

I wrongly remembered that this had the words, 'Ni Dieu, ni maître!' on it. They have used that phrase, but not in this particular image.

@celesteh i don't think any charlie hebdo publication ever bore the slogan 'no gods' so i don't get where this is coming from

and organised religion of all shades has been used to justify oppression so i think a critical dosposition towards it is warranted

@Cocoron The Charlie Hebdo covers with anti-Semitic/racist caricatures spring most immediately to mind.

I've also read that this slogan is alienating to Muslims. There's a tendency among some white leftists to imagine that LGBT and Muslims are necessarily in conflict, but this ignores both the existence of LGBT Muslims and the need for (and existence of) solidarity of groups under attack by fascists.

I think 'no masters' is already a cry for a pluralist/secular society.

@celesteh Do you have some examples I could look at? I would be very interested in seeing how this is used against different religious groups, the perceived rise in bigotry in the left concerns me.

@Cocoron I've seen it used in practice against Jews and Muslims.

I was brought up in a very conservative catholic household and was informed of being hell-bound and that was not a good time, at all. But I don't want to accidentally ally with people attacking vulnerable, minority religious groups in my desire to have freedom of non-religion.

@celesteh "no gods" is the cry of people like me have been oppressed horrendously throughout life because of organised religion and the fact that you would say that this act of agency somehow makes me a bigot against jews and muslims is downright ignorant

@celesteh I am saying this as someone raised as a Catholic in Northern Ireland where I watched my friends go to primary (elementary) school harrassed by right-wing protetants who threatened to bomb them, threw balloons of urine at them, and shoved priest/nun fetish pornography in their faces because they were children going to a catholic school in a protestant area

and also as someone who has listened to catholic teachers day vile things about "the gays", including myself

@Cocoron Are you saying a person who has suffered religious discrimination (ie, an American Muslim) or someone who has been repressed by religion (ie a transgender person raised in a strictly catholic household)?

@celesteh i have to disagree with this, sorry

only someone from a background where they haven't been discriminated against or oppressed because of the religious beliefs of themselves or other people could make this logical leap of faith