@Antanicus And, it may amuse you to learn that when I say these things (no patents, more design for permaculture and nutrition) to other science advocates, they often immediately assume I'm against GE and science generally. The effect cuts me both ways: everyone things I'm the other camp. Me, I hate camps.

@Shufei For sure: organic is a melange of good and bad concepts. Many of the good concepts have gone mainstream, like no-till, cover cropping etc.
On the subject of gene/variety patents, I wholly agree those are wrong. But those have actually nothing to do with GE: you can patent a gene variant you discovered in a landrace and bred in. You can patent any new variety, whether genes are new or not. GE is a breeding method, patenting is a monopoly method. Organic permits patents.

Also can we kill organic so that there're room in the public consciousness for an actually environmentally sound farming movement/brand?
Oh shit I just fell into the revolutionary trap of assuming the replacement will be better..

As a marketing tactic, fear is amazing because it spreads itself. It's hardly surprising that Organic has been such a marketing success story.
If regulations hadn't hit back at "alternative medicine" making medical claims, their fear-based marketing might have shredded trust in real medicine like Organic has shredded trust in nonideological farming.
Without "regulating all the things", a poor outcome in itself, how do we counter this natural social bias toward trusting fear?

@ajeremias
@Antanicus @alfred @ej
Again: the IARC monograph was constructed using carefully selected studies to designate Glyphosate as a carcinogen. It excluded studies that found it safe. And they could still only make it look "as bad as coffee". The process by which they did this, has attracted a lot of scrutiny. The chairperson of the study group, it turns out, is an unqualified activist. Not a toxicologist. Toxicologists, meanwhile, agree.

@sophia
Where I work our job application forms used to have a field that read "github profile", until I requested a change to "code repository hosting profile". It was never the case that we'd reject gitlab or a self-hosted repo, it was just a cultural default.

Anyone know if #gitlab has a feature like this:
https://help.github.com/articles/about-automation-for-issues-and-pull-requests-with-query-parameters/
Use-case: Automatically generate "report this bug!" URLs for users when a program crashes! Github has a feature that would support this, but I could not in good conscience develop something that only supported a proprietary platform.
#git #dev

@kit
BTW: help me out here, because I'd like to know how to describe the issue of sex-variable medical conditions in a way that's inclusive of trans people without being ambiguous? :)
So, EDS varies a lot between the sexes, and the differences probably involve developmental / musculo-skeletal factors as well as hormonal ones. I doubt it's known or studied, but I'd expect issues where e.g. transmen are more likely than cismen to experience strong symptoms.