@lain @karen Absolutely.

@lain gah

@karen Yeah, I figured you were joking, though it's something I do worry about.

There is at least one institution that wants to rename ocaps (object capabilities) to zcaps (authorization capabilities) to make things clearer. Unfortunately that completely disconnects ocaps from their history, which makes performing research on them much harder, so I am not in favor of it.

@karen Yeah, it's something I do worry about.

There is at least one institution that wants to rename ocaps (object capabilities) to zcaps (authorization capabilities) to make things clearer. Unfortunately that completely disconnects ocaps from their history, which makes performing research on them much harder, so I am not in favor of it.

I wish fediverse clients had a working petname based contact list type system so I could write down notes about people and give them my own names so I can actually contextually remember who they are

Especially a big problem after APConf, where now I just followed a bunch of people I really cared about the conversations of, and will have a hard time mentally mapping them to their online identities :(

@karen Nonetheless, I agree that targeting "object oriented programming" as a way to make audiences feel like the ideas are familiar is actually probably not as great an approach as it was, marketing-wise, a decade ago. And if ocaps aren't specific to what people *think of* as OOP, then that's adding confusion.

@karen But the real question is, what is an object? http://www.mumble.net/~jar/articles/oo.html

MarkM's definition is closer to what you already do, because Mark's definition is closer to Alan Kay / the actor model type directions. But what "object oriented" means is very vague.

At any rate, ocaps and functional programming can go along great, see http://mumble.net/~jar/pubs/secureos/secureos.html

@grainloom you and me both

@grainloom OCAP CPU designs now! https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/security/ctsrd/cheri/cheri-faq.html

A lot of people were talking like there was an implicit assumption that there will be another #APConf. There could be, but it's clear that the community needs to spread out the organization of the next one. Probably FOSDEM dev room is a good start and the right thing for 2020; going forward, maybe another APConf would be good (I think structurally the format was very nice).

It's clear just how much we got done by meeting face to face. Let's make sure we don't lose that.

@karen That's a really good idea though!

This raises an interesting point; the unconference clearly turned out to be hugely valuable at APConf. I'm not sure if we could replicate that at FOSDEM though (the venue makes that hard), but an idea to throw at the organizers (such as @how )

@karen Also you might notice that somehow Manu's name appears on almost every specification because secretly Manu is a single representative of a consortium of superbeings from another dimension

@Wolf480pl @cjd Cool, thanks for clarifying :)

@karen Manu *is* super cool... super charismatic and yet super technically competent, a rare combination. He (and Digital Bazaar) cares about this space and have been watching it actively for a long time. DB's projects all involve increasing personal autonomy and inter-personal collaboration, especially through identity concerns, and to that end understands that decentralized social networks are at the heart of such things working moving into the future.