@60pencilgirl I agree!

But I had a weird experience last month! I said that in my class and one of my students (a grown woman) said clothes with pockets made "volumes" (as if it was a bad thing).

My brain is not developed enough to understand that argument. I'll just leave it here for you while I fill my pockets with absolutely everything I need for survival.

Look mum! hands free! (this could be this woman buuuut "volumes")

@60pencilgirl Who decides what is sexy?
Girls with a very thick wallet can be sexy too :)

@w96k well goops doesn't look that bad in the end! but i don't want to read the whole documentation now :S

@w96k I don't know if introducing object orientation will help... I want to make it as functional as I can but I'm not sure if I'm the problem or it's scheme that is forcing me to do weird stuff.
It's like the language's philosophy is not clear.
This is much easier to do in clojure!

It's obvious that I need to read more scheme code, but that's a hard thing to do because there are not that many projects that worth reading. Many are too complex, others use a lot of high-level constructs that make them impossible for a newcomer.
This is pretty hard.

What's the best way to handle state in a scheme application? I'm trying with records but they are a little bit annoying because they can't have empty/optional fields...
Other option is to use a hash-map, but that's also a lot of pain.

Why is this thing so complex?

@Ninjatrappeur In clojure it's easier to manage because the hash-maps have a good interface... and argument destructuring helps a lot.

In guile I'm not even sure about which type I should use for things... alists are superslow for the type of application I'm trying to build and I can't think of anything better than a record...
Maybe rewrite in C?

@clacke They are taking the hobbits to Isengard!

@ghostdancer @civodul And how do they do that?
apt packages are precompiled so there must be some kind of source compilation automation... how is that defined? bash scripts?

@ghostdancer now i'm reading about how are those packages defined and I don't even care about it because my machine runs guix... oh god...
@civodul

@civodul just search in the web a graph of instructions per year and you'll be surprised.

@civodul I wonder how do package managers deal with that... we just don't really use the newest instructions, right?

@civodul Finally I got the time to read the article. Really interesting work here!
It's basically what I meant... so apt and friends can't really compile with the tuning we have on guix right? So you have to compile everything yourself to make it use the modern instructions...
What a shame.

@Ninjatrappeur @julm Reader mode not available, one of the things he does wrong.

See?

@Ninjatrappeur @julm He is a pretty rational dude that sometimes makes him write really interesting essays and sometimes makes him be superwrong because he's unable to differentiate between his context and his rationality.

When he writes something good, uses to be pretty good.

Let's read this

@suguivy I'm supposed to know some part of that.

@suguivy Anything :)

@suguivy i don't even know what that is. :(

@suguivy how does this relate to Coq and stuff like that?