Thinking that there might be a reason to add #Funkwhale to the list ... with some restrictions (requires #Federati Networks account, original content only, moderated; possible fundraising may be needed as file storage requirements expand)
Also, already planning to add #XMPP, #Movim, #Mattermost chats, but considering trying out a #Matrix instance (preferably something other than Synapse) to see how well bridging to XMPP MUCs works. I'm sure the Matrix team has never considered a setup where only rooms bridged from $PROTOCOL and possibly also $INSTANCE can be created locally.
@adcock Now that I think about it, a year or two back, I got a bunch of connection / subscription requests from random #XMPP accounts. There was a specific server where more of it came, but I think they just looked for open registration and no active moderation.
I think the #blockwars folks may have indirectly caused this. There are people who file complaints against client apps that don’t build in blocklists against specific servers whose moderation policies they dislike.
I think that #Matrix / #Element competes with one or more Google-owned chat-type services. Since they gatekeep the overwhelming majority of Android users’ software installation, a good antitrust lawyer would be helpful. I’ll bet that faxing a bunch of documents to #USDOJ and various states would suddenly cause Google to decide that Element doesn’t violate their policies anyway.
(Someone said it was “Boomers at Google that don’t understand federation”, but first of all, I’m certain that most GOOG employees are far younger than you and I, and secondly, I’m sure someone at Google understands federation, though they obviously dislike not being in control. Google Talk was federated with #XMPP, while Google Plus was basically #Diaspora with federation stripped out.)
But I don't object to others choosing such end-to-end encrypted messengers over messaging apps such as (for example) #Facebook_Messenger.
I personally use #Wire, #XMPP, #Matrix, and #WickrMe. (I tried #Jami, but it wasn't very usable yet; none of my contacts were willing to try #Tox or #Briar.) I've even considered getting a Google account again so I can use whatever their latest incarnation of messaging is (just because almost everyone I know has a Google account).
It does bother me that Signal and Telegram and most other messaging services are centralized and non-federated.
It seems we haven't learned from the 1990s & early 2000s when some friends had AOL Instant Messenger (AIM), some had MSN Messenger, some had Yahoo Messenger, some had ICQ, and a few had various other walled garden messengers (such as Excite's messenger). If I wanted to talk with all my friends, I needed to have accounts on every possible service. I should be able to communicate with my friends from whatever service I choose to use to whatever services they choose to use and not have to create accounts on every possible service.
But that's a matter of educating our friends and family, not of dogmatically refusing to communicate with them on any service they might use.
This XEP sounds like it would be useful for joining large MUCs (chatrooms), where an unknown participant may be harvesting JIDs for later targeting by SPIM.
Marked "Deferred", which sounds like it wasn't implemented widely enough in the #XMPP universe to generate experience & data to confirm its usefulness / desirability.
I'm looking through some XEPs, looking for one that specifies that all requests sent from non-roster JIDs can be rejected.
(Yes, I use Xabber, not #Conversations, as my #XMPP client on #Android. Every time I try to use Conversations, I have a very strong reaction and end up deleting it. I think the most recent time is permanent. I just can't stand it.)
I may try #SiskinIM (which I believe is made by the #Tigase folks) next. I do understand that Apple’s background app restrictions will also make that one stink, but hopefully they won’t make any ruinous choices of their own.
@clacke I second that. But from what I understand, the #Matrix founders had been involved in #SIP (which had a rivalry versus #XMPP thanks to its "SIMPLE" messaging protocol ... only recently has the SIP organization decided to work on interop with the XSF).
!fnetworks !fnetworks I have noticed some excessive slowness since the server move. It appears to be partly caused by some change in #PHP and partly by a more complex database query. Currently investigating, but ping me on #XMPP when it get really bad. If I'm home and near my computer, I can restart #PHP-FPM, which speeds things up considerably.
I don't have anything drafted yet, but I will soon circulate drafts of new !fnetworks #TOS / #Privacy_Policy / #Copyright_Policy documents. If you have a currently active account on one of our instances, please contact me with current #XMPP and #e-mail information.
There are still plans to expand !fnetworks. Things are on hold due to my feast or famine employment schedule (and resulting financial peaks and valleys), but eventually, there should be multiple instances of #Fediverse software, #xmpp, and other federated things, most available under a unified Federati Networks account.