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1. MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 17-Oct-2015 21:33:26 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

   • xmpp
   I love assuming that everyone has !XMPP. And when they say "what is XMPP?" I can do the same weird face everyone gives me when I ask "what is Facebook?" because they assume I am a customer there.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 17-Oct-2015 21:35:07 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     in reply to
     Me: "Why are you trying to send an SMS to me when you can just write to me on XMPP?"
     Them: "What is XMPP?"
     Me: "HEEELLLOOO! Have you heard about the internet?! Welcome to the 20th century, you stone age centralised phone freak!!!"
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 17-Oct-2015 21:38:59 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     in reply to
     Phone networks are somewhat decentralised though, but they're so restricted and closed down so they might as well be centralised. As an end-user you have no way to self-host or legally own your phone number (as with a domain name) anyway.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 17-Oct-2015 21:41:13 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     in reply to
     Well ok, the 21st century, but whatever.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 18-Oct-2015 07:45:26 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • aroque
     "Who owns the service?"
   • stig atle (stigatle@quitter.no)'s status on Sunday, 18-Oct-2015 08:01:05 UTC stig atle

     in reply to
     @mmn what xmpp server software do you use?
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 18-Oct-2015 08:48:16 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     in reply to

     • Zash
     • stig atle
     @stigatle I use #prosody, since if it breaks I can always go next-doors and bash on @zash.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 18-Oct-2015 08:48:42 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     in reply to

     • Zash
     • stig atle
     @stigatle @zash Fortunately for him, #prosody doesn't break.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 18-Oct-2015 09:15:33 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Zash
     • Hiker
     • Self Hosting
     @hikerus I trust my server. @zash trusts his server. We both !selfhost. That's about as close to end to end encryption you can get without requiring a bunch of annoying UI issues, problematic message transfer (multi-client delivery...) etc. etc.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 18-Oct-2015 10:01:29 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Hiker
     @hikerus I think community servers are a good thing: https://blog.mmn-o.se/2013/06/12/federating-by-commune-design/
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Wednesday, 21-Oct-2015 15:52:22 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • andresinmp
     • xmpp
     @andresinmp They compare with a specific !xmpp client by Cisco, not the protocol itself. So all points are invalid for any other software until proven otherwise.
     Especially that firewall thing, that's just bogus - there are several standardised methods for NAT/firewall traversal for XMPP.
     Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) repeated this.