Daniël Franke 🏳️🌈
Just a reminder that the extreme right is using toxic masculinity as a way to recruit young men.
While we can easily blame men for being toxic, I don't think it will fix much. We need to create a narrative that speaks to men that feel lost. One that's different than all the toxic shit that's so effective on these guys right now.
There's legions of young men feeling left behind by society, and we need to make sure they don't feel that way before things get ugly.
Daniël Franke 🏳️🌈
I think that's oversimplifying the problem, people have been accepting change forever. A big problem now is that a lot of young men feel left behind as things changed, and as a result they are lonely, lost, and looking for a new "role" to play.
The problem is that the only people (at least that are well known enough to make an impact) addressing those feelings are people like Andrew Tate, and Jordan Peterson.
We need some less toxic male influencers.
L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ
@ainmosni @jmcs Listened to a BBC docu about boys/young men the other day and one of them voiced the "girls talk about patriarchy, but with 80% of suicides being men I don't know so called patriarchy is afflicting girls more" and that's where I think influencers could make a big impact.
Just by re-framing it and letting kids understand that "if patriarchy exists every man has the time of his life, so if it's not great then patriarchy doesn't exist" is a false assumption.
João Santos
@ainmosni I don't know how you can fix people that grew up with the expectation that they would have a woman-servant and be the "head of the household" like their father and grandfathers. Even lots of women in our generation put up with unreasonable demands put on them to do all the heavy in the household and family life and it seems Gen Z women (rightfully) aren't going to accept that.
Daniël Franke 🏳️🌈
Very much so, they need to see that their own feelings of being abandoned and betrayed comes from the same system that keeps women down, it just looks different.
Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
Mans R
@ainmosni Maybe it would be a good idea to stop saddling men as a group with what basically amounts to a variation of original sin.
Andreas
@ainmosni Cause it starts with banning the party.
That's a pretty big signal that those ideas are not okay and not acceptable.
Daniël Franke 🏳️🌈
@ixs Banning the parties doesn't ban the ideas though, and in the end a society wants happy productive members of society, instead of a large group that's acting against the interest of society.
Also, I do think society owes its people, just like people owe their society.
So, why not both ban the party, and give the voters a reason to stop being angry at society?
Andreas
@ainmosni So you're saying we do owe them something?
Here's another radical idea, how about we just fucking ban fashist parties. Easier done than convincing their voters that they are wrong.
Andreas
@ainmosni "Nobody ows you anything!"
Assuming that is a valid statement, why should we owe them a narrative?
Ain't nobody got time for that shit.
Daniël Franke 🏳️🌈
@ixs In that case, let's all enjoy the next fascist chapter in our history.
Sure, that must be a bit hyperbolic, but these guys are voting for fascists, because the fascists are making time for that shit.
MPHJ 🍁 :cross_celtic_blue1:
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