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1. Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 00:59:03 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

   • Jeff Atwood

   Without clickwall: scribe.rip/@dave_31730/my-marr…

   And to anyone already put off by the title: The article is saying "no, it didn't, not really".

   @codinghorror

   • hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 00:58:58 UTC hypolite

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     • TJ Radcliffe
     @tjradcliffe @clacke There isn't something inherently wrong with men except maybe a marginal testosterone-induced greater tendency to aggressivity, but there is something that is instilled in men from a very young age that can and should be unlearned for them to be decent to be around. It isn't just about the parents, it's about society at large and can be summarized by the classic "boys will be boys" response.
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   • TJ Radcliffe (tjradcliffe@mastodon.scot)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 00:59:02 UTC TJ Radcliffe

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     • Jeff Atwood

     @clacke @codinghorror

     Definitely put off by the title, and the "Men are wrong. Men, fix yourselves!" vibe. If men are broken (many are) there are reasons for reason for it, but on that list of reasons is not "the free and unfettered choices that individual boys and young men made in their lives, acting in their capacity as autonomous libertarian fantasy creatures."

     Anyone blaming men are like folks who said women shouldn't vote because they weren't educated, while refusing to educate women.

   • TJ Radcliffe (tjradcliffe@mastodon.scot)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 00:59:06 UTC TJ Radcliffe

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     • chebra

     @chebra @hypolite @clacke

     Maybe the onus is on society to change. Maybe that's where almost all of our attention should be, instead of on men as these mythical autonomous individuals.

   • hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 00:59:06 UTC hypolite

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     • chebra
     • TJ Radcliffe
     @tjradcliffe @clacke @chebra What do you think society is made of, exactly? Also are you implying men aren't actually autonomous individuals?
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   • chebra@mstdn.io's status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 00:59:07 UTC chebra

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     • hypolite
     • TJ Radcliffe

     @hypolite
     soo there is nothing "inherently wrong" with men, except the things they inherited from society and parents, which need to be unlearned because they are wrong?

     @clacke @tjradcliffe

   • hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 00:59:09 UTC hypolite

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     • TJ Radcliffe

     @tjradcliffe Your suggestion about my political belief is so far off course that it is amusing, but it doesn't change the truth, for society to change, the behavior of individuals composing it needs to change, there's no way around it.

     And in the current case, the onus is mainly on men to improve the overall health of heterosexual relationships in Western society. The people who tend to disagree with this also tend to be on the conservative side of the political spectrum.

     And I don't think I have a fruitful way to engage with a conservative.

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   • TJ Radcliffe (tjradcliffe@mastodon.scot)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Feb-2024 00:59:10 UTC TJ Radcliffe

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     • chebra

     @hypolite @clacke @chebra

     So just to be clear, you're agreeing with Margaret Thatcher that "there's no such thing as society"? That is: there are only individuals, with no identity beyond what they freely choose for themselves, unconstrained by class or system.

     I don't think I really have a fruitful way to engage with a far right libertarian, and the position "society is nothing but a collection of individuals"--that is, there are no collective effects--is a far right libertarian position.