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1. Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 11:25:35 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
   > tres
   > cool

   
   #TShirtSpotting

   When it's all caps I prefer to think of it as lowercase in a font where all letters look uppercase.

   • Jason_Dodd (jason_dodd@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 11:25:34 UTC Jason_Dodd

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     @clacke when it's all caps, it's just a normal day at work for lots of us mainframers.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 13:49:23 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Thomas
     @tfb Are accents optional on capital letters?
   • Thomas (tfb@functional.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 13:49:24 UTC Thomas

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     @clacke all caps makes a difference though; très cool and TRES COOL are both acceptable spellings (-;

   • Thomas (tfb@functional.cafe)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 00:54:57 UTC Thomas

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     • hypolite

     @hypolite @clacke A situation that antedates computers. There's a long history of intellectuals complaining that majuscule letters should be accented too, and French people collectively ignoring them, except sometimes not.

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   • hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 00:54:58 UTC hypolite

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     • Thomas
     @clacke @tfb In theory no, in practice no one knows how to type them and relatively few fonts support them.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 00:54:59 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • hypolite
     • Thomas

     @hypolite @tfb I'm showing my ignorance here, but isn't putting an accent on E as easy or difficult as putting an accent on e, both on the keyboard and on the screen?

     Do French keyboards have a special key for é that produces something unrelated if you press shift?

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 01:28:41 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • hypolite
     • Thomas

     @hypolite Oh! That's more exotic than I could have imagined.

     I wonder if this means users of French keyboards love the numpad more than others do. I would expect so.

     @tfb

   • hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 01:28:42 UTC hypolite

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     • Thomas

     @clacke @tfb French AZERTY keyboards have dedicated keys for é, è, à, ù and ç. US International keyboard requires combination presses, like ` and then a for à, ‘ then e for é, etc…

     This makes it easy to write accented capital letters by combining with a capital letters, while French keyboard dedicated keys don’t have capital versions like you said. For example Shift + é gives 2.

   • hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 08:22:31 UTC hypolite

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     • Thomas
     @clacke @tfb I can’t speak for everybody but all my laptops have had a numpad, even with a US keyboard.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 08:22:31 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • hypolite
     • Thomas

     @hypolite I haven't had a numpad in 20 years and I haven't missed it. 🙂

     @tfb

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 08:23:10 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • hypolite
     • valhalla
     • Thomas

     @valhalla Scandinavian layouts don't suffer from this. When there's an ö then shift gives you Ö. If AltGr+ö gives you ø then Shift+AltGr+ö gives you Ø.

     I don't know what qualifier they would use to get œ on the same key, but that character as far as I know isn't used in Scandinavian languages nor in Finnish. Swedish Wikipedia says English and French use it.

     Maybe œ is printed on the ö key because some other layout than sv/fi would put it there.

     @hypolite @tfb

   • valhalla (valhalla@social.gl-como.it)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 08:23:11 UTC valhalla

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     • hypolite
     • Thomas

     @hypolite @clacke @tfb the same happens with Italian keyboards: special keys for lowercase à è é ì ò ù, with different symbols when used with shift (iirc é is shift-è).

     And on the keyboard I'm using right now (which I believe comes from Finland) there is e.g. a key labeled ø ö œ which I believe works the same way, with shift and possibly alt (I don't *know*, I've always ignored the labels and used it with the us-altgr-intl map)

   • Paolo Redaelli (paoloredaelli@mastodon.uno)'s status on Saturday, 09-Dec-2023 02:44:59 UTC Paolo Redaelli

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     • hypolite
     • valhalla
     • Thomas

     @valhalla
     To get À É and the like on the #italian keyboard you can hit à è í ó with capslock activated
     @hypolite @clacke @tfb

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 09-Dec-2023 02:45:00 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • hypolite
     • valhalla
     • Thomas
     • Paolo Redaelli

     @paoloredaelli Oh! That's a smart use of the caps vs shift distinction.

     @valhalla @hypolite @tfb

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 10-Dec-2023 05:51:57 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     If anyone is feeling bad about a quote from a t-shirt turning into a deep-dive on Italian keyboard layouts, *don't*.

     For every little insignificant everyday event I post about, this is what I'm *hoping* will happen, it's why I'm here. Call it manufactured serendipity if you want a fancy term.

     Off-topic is the main topic. I'm leaking random stuff from my mind that I hope will somehow teach me something I didn't know I wanted to know. Like how French people need to press Shift to get a digit.

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