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1. leyrer (leyrer@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 11:54:34 UTC leyrer

   How Microsoft and Google are killing federated Email. One domain at a time.
   Exhibit 7826 ...

   Microsoft Outlook Blocking All Email from @tutanota.com Domain as Spam.
   https://tuta.com/blog/outlook-falsely-marks-tutanota-emails-as-junk

   • Deborah (gnomicutterance@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 11:54:26 UTC Deborah

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
     • erebion

     @erebion @clacke @leyrer I run a server that's provided email to ~15 people for >20 years. The answer is if you do everything right with DKIM, SPF, & DMARC, & never allow spam or bulk email or relaying ever, & you are very *very* lucky, you will only have to open a ticket with microsoft to unblock your domain about 3 times a year, and *most* of your users' important email will deliver to gmail users.

     It's hell & it's gotten worse. MS & Google don't care about deliverability from small fry.

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   • erebion (erebion@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 11:54:32 UTC erebion

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

     @clacke @leyrer Actually, I want to find out what's really true. So far sending works, now I just need to implement receiving and change some DNS records.

     I'll gladly take advice about common hurdles and pitfalls and also links where people talk about this.

     I later want to document how to set it all up in a simple way, without an overly complicated setup.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 11:54:33 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @leyrer But a guy in a comment thread said it's easy to run your own email server and he never had any issues!

     /s

   • Henryk Plötz (henryk@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 11:54:42 UTC Henryk Plötz

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
     • Deborah
     • erebion

     @gnomicutterance @erebion @clacke @leyrer I found this very instructive when I had my first deliverability problem ~10 years ago. They had an ostensibly helpful postmaster contact page, but the first question was how many mails I was trying to deliver. Possible options: 100k, 500k, 1M, or more.

     I was like "No, I'm *not* a spammer, I just want to send like three mails a month to someone I know who happens to be your customer."

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   • erebion (erebion@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 11:54:45 UTC erebion

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
     • Deborah
     • Henryk Plötz

     @henryk @gnomicutterance @clacke @leyrer Digital Markets Act... Now people could just make sure they get a hefty fine.

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   • Tutanota ✅ (tutanota@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Dec-2023 11:54:46 UTC Tutanota ✅

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     @leyrer Thanks for bringing attention to this important topic. We need to fight for our rights! ✊

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   • see shy jo (joeyh@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 00:48:20 UTC see shy jo

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
     • Deborah
     • erebion

     @gnomicutterance @erebion @clacke @leyrer can confirm. 3 times a year MS blocks for no reason and unblocks when I escalate to my VPS hosting provider.

     I am going to just recipercate and bounce all mail I receive from them though.

   • LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 00:50:08 UTC LisPi

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
     • Deborah
     • erebion
     @gnomicutterance @leyrer @clacke @erebion It's almost like monopolists shouldn't be allowed to run commercial email services.
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