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1. hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 00:57:21 UTC hypolite

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   @mdhughes @clacke The conquest of the Americas is a good example. After a push from Europe, the settlers eventually rebelled against their former monarchs and started doing their own thing locally. I imagine this would likely play out the same at an even bigger scale. At some point, colonies are so far away from Earth that the latter cannot exert any direct control over them and they start to self-determine their future.
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     @clacke @mdhughes It could be exponential if it's planning is centralized. The problem with space is that there's a lot of nothing. On Earth we enjoy a balmy 30% of stuff compared to 70% of "nothing", but in space the ratio becomes absolutely ridiculous, even before accounting for livability.

     So you'd first need to bring life support systems to the remote planet, and then somehow all the infrastructure for space travel if you'd want to jump to the next planet without fully developing the first one?

     It sounds unlikely to me.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 00:57:18 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @hypolite This whole thread is built on the presumption that space colonies are possible and worth it. Without that, there is no galactic threat to rise against either.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 00:57:19 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @hypolite @mdhughes I imagine in a place like outer space with so much ... space, colonies colonizing is an exponential process.

     Europe's colonization of the world didn't slow down from internal causes, it slowed down because Europe already controlled the world except Ethiopia, China, Siam, Japan and maybe a few minor spots.

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     @hypolite ... and colonize further. As the independent colonizers in the US did.

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   • hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 00:57:20 UTC hypolite

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     @clacke @mdhughes Yes, but it wasn't a unified push coming from Europe anymore, it was a local effort which may have slowed it down significantly.
   • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 16:17:40 UTC LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     @clacke The imperative could still exist once one realizes that a possible subjugator civilization may have different weightings on the factors going into such a calculation.
     
     Consider "Independence Day" and its space locust type civilization.