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1. Scott Jenson (scottjenson@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Aug-2023 12:09:45 UTC Scott Jenson

   I feel like such an old man, yelling about the problems with the label "UX/UI designer" but every time I post, I get people agreeing it's totally awful and how much confusion it creates.

   So I'm encouraged to continue as if it's so bad, then why in hell do we keep using it?
   #UX #UI #Design #UXDesign

   • Jan D (simulo@hci.social)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Aug-2023 12:09:40 UTC Jan D

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     @scottjenson dunno, maybe we should bring the "Interaction Designer" back? (I liked 'interaction' better than the vague and hard-to-defend 'experience' anyway)

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   • Dawn Ahukanna (dahukanna@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Aug-2023 12:09:51 UTC Dawn Ahukanna

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     • jon_newby

     @scottjenson @jon_newby

     Paraphrasing Grady Booch architecture and design quote - “All UI is UX but not all UX is UI”

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   • Scott Jenson (scottjenson@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Aug-2023 12:09:52 UTC Scott Jenson

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     @jon_newby I don't see it that way. I want there to be a single term, e.g. UX designer, but with the understanding that there are MANY skills (not just UI) that are required to do the job. It's much better (and easier) to say there is one discipline (with many skills required to do it well, e.g. user testing, research, visual design, prototyping, etc) Using the term UX/UI does two things: 1) Obscures the other skills needed and 2) confuses the hell out of stakeholders.

   • jon_newby (jon_newby@mstdn.social)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Aug-2023 12:09:58 UTC jon_newby

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     @scottjenson it's easier to get sign off for the position from upper management. Whereas separating UX and UI into two different roles seems more expensive on the surface, and probably involves evangelism to justify hiring two people, when one 'can' do 'both'. #unicornsRequired

   • Scott Jenson (scottjenson@social.coop)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 05:32:44 UTC Scott Jenson

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

     @clacke fair enough but as the term actually encompasses two different skill sets it's a bit of a "particle/wave" kind of concept and ends up just being confusing. The fact that many startups actually do think the term means "pixel person" is the user testing that proves this design has failed

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 05:32:45 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @scottjenson Thank you for all the clarifications in this thread.

     For me the term "UX/UI" was an improvement, because it was acknowledging that you don't just need a pixel person, you need someone trained in usability as well. Most projects I've worked didn't even have a pixel person, much less someone who understands human/machine interaction.

     But you're coming from a perspective where the usability experts and interaction designers already existed and were watered down into this shapeless UI/UX role.

     I 100% believe that the focus should be on interaction and usability first, and visual design being a subordinate activity that flows from there.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 25-Aug-2023 05:37:08 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @scottjenson I didn't know people were treating the word like that, but I trust your observation. If that's the case the term needs to be retired.

     I can't help but wonder though if the same companies wouldn't advertise for a "usability expert" and still have them mostly design logos.