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1. Eldan Goldenberg (eldang@weirder.earth)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 12:29:09 UTC Eldan Goldenberg

   Sounds like this monument is no more: https://www.flickr.com/photos/eldan/107512461/in/album-72057594074523245/
   and a bunch of Kyiv metro stations are being renamed from honouring Russians to Ukrainians. This feels more like "erasing history" than any of the tearing down of Confederate or colonist statues around the US, but I can't say I blame anyone involved.

   • Eldan Goldenberg (eldang@weirder.earth)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 12:29:06 UTC Eldan Goldenberg

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     • entie kif :serviceDog:

     @dirething I am definitely worried about where that leads, after the war. Not so much the tearing down of Soviet monuments--that feels more like a push back against colonialism than anything else--but how much the war will have strengthened the worst nationalist elements within Ukraine.

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   • entie kif :serviceDog: (dirething@weirder.earth)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 12:29:08 UTC entie kif :serviceDog:

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     @eldang nationlism of any kind for any reason always worries the hell out of me :( besides the like fact they're both slavs and all that history and loads of ppl have family in both countries...

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   • Eldan Goldenberg (eldang@weirder.earth)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 12:29:09 UTC Eldan Goldenberg

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     actually my first statement was much too mild. If I lived in Kyiv, I'd be there cheering on the statue's toppling too. I feel more equivocal about things like taking Tolstoy's name off a station, but it's not my metro, not my decision to make.

   • Eldan Goldenberg (eldang@weirder.earth)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 12:29:52 UTC Eldan Goldenberg

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     • Oleksiy 🇺🇦

     @sng @carcinopithecus @oleksiy "nearly a German speaking country" is a pretty big exaggeration, but there were certainly predominantly German-speaking enclaves all the way from the Upper Midwest to Texas. My parents-in-law have a bunch of documents from one such village in Iowa where one of them had ancestors: marriage certificates, newspapers and prayer books all in German, from people who were not necessarily first generation immigrants.

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   • DC Rat (sng@bsd.network)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 12:29:53 UTC DC Rat

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     @carcinopithecus @eldang @oleksiy Most people don’t realize that the US was very nearly a German speaking country and just how deep German culture was here up till the first half of the 20th century. That’s some real erasure of history.

   • Oleksiy 🇺🇦 (oleksiy@weirder.earth)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 12:29:54 UTC Oleksiy 🇺🇦

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     @eldang I have to say that russian colonial regime was systematically destroying Ukrainian culture for centuries and replacing it is with russian-centric one. So it's not "erasing history" but getting rid of something that was forced onto us. It's not about Tolstoy, but about getting rid of the legacy that we don't need

   • Eldan Goldenberg (eldang@weirder.earth)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 12:29:54 UTC Eldan Goldenberg

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     • Oleksiy 🇺🇦

     @oleksiy That's fair. Perhaps I'm biased here from having seen some rather over-the-top reactions against Russian culture locally, like cancelling performances of Tchaikovsky's music as if his ghost is profiting from the war somehow. And of course I worry about it more in the Canadian context because this country rounded up and interned everyone of Japanese or Italian descent during WW2.

   • 🦀🦍≢ (carcinopithecus@x0r.be)'s status on Sunday, 01-May-2022 12:29:54 UTC 🦀🦍≢

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     • Oleksiy 🇺🇦

     @eldang @oleksiy ...they did it to italians too!? :oh_no: