Chris Trottier
Remember Twitter's super uber-secret project Bluesky? They finally explained what they're up to, and it's spicy πΆοΈ
So spicy that I had to write a 1,200 blog post one what exactly it entails. Key learning: Twitter doesn't like Mastodon. 𧡠https://blog.peerverse.space/lets-talk-about-project/
Chris Trottier
In a nutshell, Bluesky is saying, "We know the Fediverse exists, it's better than Twitter, but trust us, we're building something better so... don't go anywhere!"
To sum it up, I'm skeptical that Bluesky is anything more than vaporware.
Chris Trottier
Nevertheless, Bluesky did have a few valid critiques about Mastodon, and it's that a Mastodon instance is only as successful as its ability to fight trolls and spam. If the average instance can't keep up, we know what will happen to the Fediverse: it will end up like email.
Chris Trottier
Yet, there's an easy fix to this flaw in federation. Add a P2P element. Focus less on where content comes from and more on what it is. Build a system for nodes to ensure trust.
Chris Trottier
Bluesky spent the bulk of their post kicking FUD at Mastodon hiding under notions of, "You can lose your identity!" and "What if an instance goes down?"
Anyone familiar with Twitter and Mastodon knows this is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.
Chris Trottier
(By the way, the post was dropped just a few days after Elon Musk bought a 9.5% stake in Twitter. Some might call this coincidental but I call it, "Perhaps you should justify your job if you want to keep it.)
Chris Trottier
So first off, you should never trust Twitter with any kind of open APIs or protocols. Trusting Twitter with that kind of thing is like trusting Lucy to place the football for Charlie Brown: you're better off just assuming they'll remove access.
Lars Lehtonen
@saxnot @cjd @atomicpoet genx != boomer
saxnot [he/him]
@cjd @atomicpoet why should some random musk contractor have the ability to understand and iterate on the concept of federated networks?
That's like saying Bill Gates is sending a ninja to help twitter. Doesn't really make any sense. Why are todays Boomer Billionaires so obsessed with twitter?
Caleb James DeLisle
@atomicpoet
I have my suspicion that Twitter's people literally didn't know what they wanted to do, so Musk sent in a ninja to give direction to the project. I think it's too early to judge his objectives at this point.
saxnot [he/him]
@pre @atomicpoet This "transportable public key" concept is called "nomadic identity" and some instances already support it via the zot protocol:
https://hubzilla.org/help/developer/zot_protocol
Adam Dalliance
A few days after Elon, indeed. Too quick to be because of that.
It's a few weeks after Jack became CEO though. That's more likely the proximate cause I reckon.
Jack loves bitcoin but not blockchain for any other purpose. He's probably finally overruled the utility-token arguments and told them no pointless blockchains.
That's what surprised me from the document, the lack of pointless blockchains.
And I did lose my first fedi account when the admin failed to back up before an upgrade. Then was surprised when old posts wouldn't transfer when I finally set up my own instance.
Accounts should be based on transportable public keys not particular logins. And fitted to a person not an instance.
I'm more optimistic than I was.
But it's certainly vapor right now, yeah.
π¦ Thomas Citharel
@atomicpoet Mastodon allows to export the data, but not import it back, so it's not much better than Twitter on this topic.
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i don't have an opinion on the proposals offered by the parent toot for how to improve the fediverse, but i'm delighted to see twitter freaking out about it
reminds me of when microsoft, publicly dismissive and ridiculing of this new open source fad, got pantsed in the same way
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents
gosh i hope i can be part of a project that eats a billionaire's someday
Santa Claes πΈπͺππ°π
Jonathan Lamothe
Matt Owens
@atomicpoet
This is a minor nitpick, and I dislike Google as much as the next person, but I couldn't find anything in your DO link that confirms your assertion that they're blocking port 25 specifically because of Google. Google has a huge influence on email, but I don't think it's quite that simple
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