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1. Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal: (sotolf@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Apr-2022 17:45:09 UTC Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal:

   It seems like Taiwan and Ukraine are countries that show how China and Russia could be if they just weren't fucked over by dipshit "leaders"

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   • Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal: (sotolf@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Apr-2022 17:47:01 UTC Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal:

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     • Lien Rag

     @lienrag Ah so there are authoritarian trolls here on mastodon as well. Yeah sure Agression from the west is fucking up China and Russia, listen to yourself that's so clearly stupid and just propaganda fuled reasoning you have nothing backing up.

     We have more than enough on our hands trying to keep our places good to even try fucking up other countries..

     Go somewhere else propaganda troll.

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   • Lien Rag (lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net)'s status on Friday, 08-Apr-2022 17:47:02 UTC Lien Rag

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     @sotolf

     That is very shallow.
     China and Russia had/have bad leaders, but they were mainly fucked by extern aggression...

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 08-Apr-2022 17:49:10 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Lien Rag
     @lienrag @sotolf China was made a mess by Lenin. Taiwan was made a mess as a counterreaction.
     
     Taiwan recovered in the 80s when their tyrant died. China was on their long way to recovery for over 30 years after their tyrant died, but reversed course and got a new one.
   • Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal: (sotolf@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Apr-2022 17:51:14 UTC Sotolf :arch: :vim: :terminal:

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     • Alexey Yerin 🇺🇦🕊🇷🇺

     @yyp Yeah, I don't mean this as something bad about Russian or Chinese people, just that the countries could be so much better if they had a real democratic system that let people actually have leaders that work on making the countries better :) There is so much potential there, and as far as I understand it Ukraine and Taiwan are proves that Russians and Chinese has the potential to be great if they would get the chance to try :)

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   • Alexey Yerin 🇺🇦🕊🇷🇺 (yyp@fosstodon.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Apr-2022 17:51:18 UTC Alexey Yerin 🇺🇦🕊🇷🇺

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     @sotolf Absolutely agree. Ukraine does a much better job at democratic elections than we do here in Russia. Essentially there's United Russia and a few other candidates (sometimes sponsored by them), but the former always gets a majority.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 09-Apr-2022 05:36:05 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Lien Rag
     @lienrag Without the Soviet Union providing support for the Communist faction the split within the KMT would not have succeeded, maybe not even happened. China would have been a peaceful social democracy before Europe was even halfway there.
     
     To be fair to Lenin, the Japanese certainly did their bit to screw up the power balance, but the Soviet Union was there first.
     
     I'm not saying the British and the French did anything right or morally defensible in 19th century China, far from it, but they didn't cause Mao; If anything by weakening the Qing dynasty they inadvertently caused Dr. Sun.
   • Lien Rag (lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net)'s status on Saturday, 09-Apr-2022 05:36:07 UTC Lien Rag

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

     @clacke

     "China was made a mess by Lenin" ???!????

     I know that Swede is tolerant about drugs, but you sure are taking heavy ones !

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Saturday, 09-Apr-2022 09:46:11 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • Lien Rag
     @lienrag I disagree with the KMT's vanguard approach, their "political tutelage phase" and their supposedly transitional one-party rule.
     
     But the Communists gave Chiang the excuse to extend it. And maybe you have forgotten that the KMT was *also* originally supported by the Soviets.
   • Lien Rag (lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net)'s status on Saturday, 09-Apr-2022 09:46:13 UTC Lien Rag

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     • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

     @clacke

     You're aware of what China was under KMT rule ?
     Because it's certainly nothing like "a peaceful democracy"...