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1. Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 31-Jan-2022 08:58:45 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅
   Is this an ok organization/movement/whatever it is?
   
   www.queermajority.com/about1
   
   I don't need anyone's approval for my opinions, I just want to save the time digging deeper if someone already knows off the cuff that actually this all seems nice on the surface, but actually they support Toxic Issue #47, or they ignore obvious problems and whitewash things, or it's all dogmatic or anecdotal. Tentatively there seems to be good stuff here.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 31-Jan-2022 09:00:41 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     I read www.queermajority.com/essays-a… . It's a long article about how the author found it difficult within feminist academia to get people to accept evidence that while we still have people beating up queers and trans people and society has work left to do, mainstream men are less homophobic than they used to. They're not just tolerant, but also changing their masculinity as a consequence.
     
     I found it really compelling and refreshing. It agrees with what I see on fedi and what I see among my real-world friends and relations from the 80s to now.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 31-Jan-2022 14:29:47 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @jec If you ever find the time and strength I'd be thankful for a glimpse of it.
   • jec (jec@social.alesan.io)'s status on Monday, 31-Jan-2022 14:29:49 UTC jec

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     @clacke Yeah... having fully read the article, there's a lot wrong with it, way more than I have time to unpack and refute.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 31-Jan-2022 14:45:10 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @jec I'm above forty and I tell my best male straight friends that I love them. We call each other for emotional support and cry together, just not as often as we should. One of our school mates and his husband just had a baby and the comments were all joy and cheer and well-wishings.
     
     The future is never evenly distributed and it's not fair. I know that homophobia isn't dead. But it's not alive everywhere and it's not generally considered cool.
     
     I'm sorry that it's too late and too patchy to make you feel safe in the environment you're in. But it is progress. I think denying that can be harmful too.
   • jec (jec@social.alesan.io)'s status on Monday, 31-Jan-2022 14:45:11 UTC jec

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     @clacke It doesn't much matter when you're 40 and you move around in social circles with people around your age. Also growing up in an intensely homophobic world has shaped my psique in a way where I inherently can't trust straight people with anything regarding the queer aspects of my life.
   • M. Grégoire (mpjgregoire@mamot.fr)'s status on Monday, 31-Jan-2022 14:48:21 UTC M. Grégoire

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     @clacke It's no surprise when for ideological reasons the academy refuses to acknowledge dissenting claims.

     It is also common for political movements to be blind to how much they have achieved and to try to maintain the same degree of intensity over a less significant problem.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 31-Jan-2022 14:53:08 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     As a counter-anecdote, my schoolmate with the baby has a friend who is a politician, previously in the Swedish parliament, now in the EU parliament.
     
     He got randomly beaten up at the hot dog stand queueing for a late night snack, because they recognized him and knew he was gay.
     
     There is still work to do, even in Sweden, even in Stockholm, even on Södermalm.
     
     @jec