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1. ☆ Dmitri ☭ (yogthos@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:20:57 UTC ☆ Dmitri ☭

   People who say that people in China need to be liberated and that China has to become more like the west are just sophisticated racists.

   • Peter (peter@mastodon.nl)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:20:57 UTC Peter

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     @yogthos I do my part to free the Chinese people from constant surveillance and brainwashing by introducing them to Facebook.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:26:56 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • koherecoWatchdog
     @yogthos @koherecoWatchdog Democratic centralism is missing the right to fork. When something goes wrong in the party hierarchy there is nowhere else to go, and there is limited possibility for experiments in party organization.
     
     In addition, single-party rule muddies the line between the party and the public servants, which is a very helpful line to safeguard rule of law. You see this not only in countries where all parties but one are banned, but also in countries like Sweden, where for half a century the same party got the democratic majority and controlled the government.
   • ☆ Dmitri ☭ (yogthos@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:26:57 UTC ☆ Dmitri ☭

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     • koherecoWatchdog

     @koherecoWatchdog I don't know why people think that having more parties means having more meaningful freedom. It's demonstrably not the case in practice.

     One party states rely on social and economic stability to stay in power. That aligns the interests of the party with the interests of the people.

     It's ironic that you talk about brainwashing while simply regurgitating propaganda tropes that have been thoroughly addressed many times already.

   • ☆ Dmitri ☭ (yogthos@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:26:57 UTC ☆ Dmitri ☭

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     • koherecoWatchdog

     @koherecoWatchdog ultimately, democracy is a government that acts in the interest of the majority, and that's being held accountable by the majority.

     Western style parliamentary democracy is just one attempt at implementing this concept, and it clearly achieves poor results across the board.

     Democratic centralism is another approach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_centralism

   • koherecowatchdog@freeradical.zone's status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:27:00 UTC koherecoWatchdog

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     @yogthos I struggle to understand how oppression would not manifest from a one-party state. When employees of a Hong Kong newspaper got arrested (despite truthful publications), that certainly comes off as oppressive, not to mention the Tianaman Square massacre. Brainwashing seems like a clear consequence of censorship on an astronomical scale as well. Not sure what I’m missing there.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:28:09 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • koherecoWatchdog
     @yogthos This is possible in theory, and maybe there are ways to make it happen in practice, but it is demonstrably false in China.
     
     @koherecoWatchdog
   • ☆ Dmitri ☭ (yogthos@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:28:10 UTC ☆ Dmitri ☭

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     • koherecoWatchdog

     @koherecoWatchdog what actually matters is which class holds power in society, and under communism it's the proletarian class, thus there is one proletarian party.

   • ☆ Dmitri ☭ (yogthos@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:33:12 UTC ☆ Dmitri ☭

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     • koherecoWatchdog

     @clacke @koherecoWatchdog correct, democratic centralism says that the society decided on communism being the right approach, and the scope of debate is limited within that scope.

     However, it's worth noting that even in China there are actually 8 parties, where the other parties advice CPC and engage in debate.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:33:12 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     • koherecoWatchdog
     @yogthos When is the chance for society to change its mind without violent revolt?
     
     I have seen no reason to believe that the other parties in China have any more real influence than the other parties in the DDR did -- indeed it seems like even voices other than Xi's within the party have less power than ever -- but I am open to evidence to the contrary.
     
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   • koherecowatchdog@freeradical.zone's status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:33:52 UTC koherecoWatchdog

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     @yogthos The next block can be looked at through the lens of some quotes I hold in high regard: “Activism is the rent I pay for living on this planet” --Alice Walker. “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor” --Desmond Tutu. Snapping into activist mode when someone is being oppressed is not just noble, it can be regarded as a duty.

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   • ☆ Dmitri ☭ (yogthos@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:33:52 UTC ☆ Dmitri ☭

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     • koherecoWatchdog

     @koherecoWatchdog who exactly is being oppressed and how are they being oppressed?

     If you actually look at any surveys from China they show that people do not in fact think they're being oppressed, they overwhelmingly support their government, and their lives have been improving on an unprecedented scale.

   • Peter (peter@mastodon.nl)'s status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:33:52 UTC Peter

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     • koherecoWatchdog

     @yogthos @koherecoWatchdog
     I am curious about those surveys and how they are conducted.
     Does the sample contain any Uyghurs or Falun Gong supporters?

   • koherecowatchdog@freeradical.zone's status on Sunday, 30-Jan-2022 17:33:53 UTC koherecoWatchdog

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     @yogthos The statement “even though that’s false” doesn’t make much sense in the context of opinions. All three statements before that are opinions, which can neither be true nor false.