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1. Ruaraidh ᚏᚒᚐᚔᚏᚔ (athairbirb@mastodon.scot)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jan-2022 10:56:55 UTC Ruaraidh ᚏᚒᚐᚔᚏᚔ

   Are yeasts a sort-of loop-hole creature?

   Vit B12 is the topic of today's e-mail and being advised to fetch it via yeasts but yeasts aren't plants, nor are they animal..per se.

   I know some take bee products and insects as non-vegan.

   Can only think it's a topic of debate in the vegan realm.

   • Seachaint :verified: (seachaint@hackers.town)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jan-2022 10:56:48 UTC Seachaint :verified:

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     • eena meena me

     @meena @athairbirb @jon Let me indulge my inner angry microbiologist for a moment and just point out that Yeasts are fungi and therefore are not a source of Vitamin B12 at all, sadly. Great for many B vits but not B12.

     Anything bacterial-fermented can potentially provide b12. So, yoghurts, cheeses, bacterial drink fermentations (_authentic_ Kombucha), etc. There are scant vegan non-fermented sources, Tempeh is one apparently: presumably the fungi are not the only partners in that traditional fermentation process. Strangely, nori-family seaweeds also provide b12, perhaps absorbing them from symbiotes.

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   • eena meena me (meena@glitch.social)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jan-2022 10:56:54 UTC eena meena me

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     @athairbirb i think the issue with bacteria is: first off, mammals need all that bacteria living in their gut to actually do any metabolism.

     second: yeast bacteria are everywhere. you can't leave any biological matter lying around without it spontaneously starting to ferment

     finally: yeast bacteria do stuff we couldn't possibly dream of doing

     raw wheat corns are as far removed from a baked sourdough bread as water is from a rocket engine, but healthier!

   • jec (jec@social.alesan.io)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jan-2022 13:14:09 UTC jec

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     @athairbirb I just supplement it with a vegan B12 pill 🤷♂️ Why complicate stuff.
     
     There's also like, fortified vegetable milk and stuff?
     
     Anyway having little time to cook/buy groceries/etc is a factor
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