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1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:06:09 UTC Aral Balkan

   The Three Laws of Personal Devices

   Law 1: Your devices must work in your interests and your interests alone.

   https://ar.al/2021/12/18/the-three-laws-of-personal-devices/

   #TheThreeLaws

   • Elias Mårtenson (loke@functional.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:06:05 UTC Elias Mårtenson

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     • Rysiekúr Memesson

     @rysiek @aral My washing machine has network capability. I have no idea what it would be used for. Needless to say, I have not connected it to any network.

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   • Rysiekúr Memesson (rysiek@mastodon.technology)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:06:06 UTC Rysiekúr Memesson

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     @aral

     Law 4: if the core functionality of the device *could* be implemented without use of algorithms and data processing, there *must* be a way to peruse this functionality without them.

     I cannot stress this enough, my fridge does not need to be "smart", nor to send or receive any data over the Internet.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:06:07 UTC Aral Balkan

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     The Three Laws of Personal Devices

     Law 2 (cont): If a feature cannot be built in this manner, all data must be end-to-end encrypted and the owner of the device must be the exclusive holder of the private key.

     https://ar.al/2021/12/18/the-three-laws-of-personal-devices/

     #TheThreeLaws

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:06:07 UTC Aral Balkan

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     The Three Laws of Personal Devices

     Law 3: The hardware, software, and services must be free and open.

     https://ar.al/2021/12/18/the-three-laws-of-personal-devices/

     #TheThreeLaws

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:06:08 UTC Aral Balkan

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     The Three Laws of Personal Devices

     Law 2: When a feature can be built so that algorithms and data are kept exclusively on the person’s own device, it must be built that way.

     …

     https://ar.al/2021/12/18/the-three-laws-of-personal-devices/

     #TheThreeLaws

   • Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​ (dredmorbius@toot.cat)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:06:20 UTC Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​

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     • Pirate Praveen

     @praveen What of the ability to evolve standards?

     Yes, there's "extend and embrace", but there's also "stagnate in standards-evolution hell".

     @aral

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   • Pirate Praveen (praveen@social.masto.host)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:06:26 UTC Pirate Praveen

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     @aral
     Services must also be interoperable based on Free/Open standards. If there is already a standard, please don't create a new incompatible standard.

   • Pirate Praveen (praveen@social.masto.host)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:11:10 UTC Pirate Praveen

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     • Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​

     @dredmorbius
     There is always newer versions of the standards to adapt to new requirements. As long as the standardization process is sufficiently participative and independent of control from specific entities, standards have been evolving and it will continue to evolve.
     @aral

   • Dr. Quadragon ❌ (drq@mastodon.ml)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:12:06 UTC Dr. Quadragon ❌

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     @aral If neither is achievable, the product's server side that contains data and algorithms must provide a way to self-host, without any loss of functionality.

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   • hamish campbell (hamishcampbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:14:43 UTC hamish campbell

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     @aral I feel this is little understanding of non-capitalist economics in this list. Have you thought what data is used for in different economic systems?

     If we build only in reaction to one economic syteam, that we are quite likely to walk away from in the next 10-20 years, then we are not actually building the future. instead we are defending the past.

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   • hamish campbell (hamishcampbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:15:09 UTC hamish campbell

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     @aral

     Have you though that this view is a perfect fit for neoliberalism and thus might be anti-human in some ways.

     We are messy and only live when we know each other, trust is the nebulous building block of life and this "trust" is mostly built from "opendata".

     I can see where you are going, and a balance of "privacy" is also human.

     My reaction a healthy society is a fine balance of open/closed, we need open social actions to build trust and closed private life to be "individuals".

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   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:15:10 UTC Aral Balkan

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     • hamish campbell

     @hamishcampbell Data does have power. Which is why your data, like your thoughts, must be your own.

     If you want to share them, then sure.

     Otherwise, imagine a world where you have no control over whether or not you share your thoughts. They’re public by default.

     That’s the scenario these laws are written to avoid.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:15:11 UTC Aral Balkan

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     • hamish campbell

     @hamishcampbell These are based on an understanding of the extended self – where we extend ourselves using technology. So your data is yours and yours alone because it is part of your person. Whether or not it’s capitalists or socialists or whatnot who want to violate isn’t relevant. That is must not be violated is.

   • hamish campbell (hamishcampbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:15:11 UTC hamish campbell

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     @aral OK that is the understanding of the "self" in capitalism so common sense. What does the self look like from a more communitarian view? Data has power, isolating this data to the individual is a perfect fit for neoliberalism.

     Am not saying you have not though outside this box, but would like more public facing info on such thinking, what can data "commons" do for society and how can we think about this #4opens i would like to see more of.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:15:18 UTC Aral Balkan

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     • hamish campbell

     @hamishcampbell Basically, I’m modelling what we have in biological space. You thoughts are your own and you choose to share them when and if you like.

     We don’t have the equivalent of this in virtual space yet. We must have it protected as a base requirement for personhood. That provides a human rights-respecting foundation to build upon.

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   • hamish campbell (hamishcampbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:15:19 UTC hamish campbell

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     @aral

     Am thinking the problem is in the #mainstreaming outreach expression.

     Where you are actually building tools for people to balance their private/public lives, which is a good.

     Maybe you could express this more?

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:15:59 UTC Aral Balkan

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     • hamish campbell

     @hamishcampbell Society is made up of individuals. Without individuals, there is no society. The problem we have is that in virtual space, we cannot currently protect the integrity of the individual. Any system built upon this premise will not have a society, it will have an autocracy.

     That’s the baseline that these laws aim to establish.

   • arnebab@rollenspiel.social's status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:15:59 UTC ArneBab

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     • hamish campbell

     @aral @hamishcampbell It’s not the integrity of the individual that’s the problem. You never have absolute integrity of the individual in a society.

     The problem is that the loss of integrity of the vast majority feeds a tiny group of people in power.

     That’s what creates the autocratic structures.

     If you live in a voluntary commune with 5 other people and you share most you have think and do, you still have community. It’s when that one ruler peeks into all that it gets broken.

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   • hamish campbell (hamishcampbell@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:16:00 UTC hamish campbell

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     @aral ok that's fine as far as it goes.

     How does "society" fit into this view, we are social creatures who cannot survive let alone start to flourish with out community as the bases of our biology. We are not the isalated individual you modal, think you understand this.

     We can only exist in a world built on "trust" how can we trust individuals that don't leave a trail of social clues, that's data/metadata in tech view, the is social value drips from this opendata?

   • n8chz ⒶⒺ (n8chz@queer.party)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:17:42 UTC n8chz ⒶⒺ

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     @aral "When a feature can be built" be sure to specify that you mean "can" in the engineering sense, not the economic sense. I've often speculated whether user-respecting computing would somehow violate the laws of economics, even if offered at a staggeringly high price. Thank you for proposing to force the question. I wish you well in this pursuit.

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   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:20:17 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @aral > Law 1: Your devices must work in your interests and your interests alone.
     
     Should a self-driving car allow me to break speed limits? There are good reasons to say yes.
     
     Should it put my safety ahead of that of pedestrians? Now we're getting closer to trolley problem territory.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Jan-2022 01:25:37 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     This question is brought up by both cooperativetechnology.codeberg… and techautonomy.org/ and they come out more in favor of a balance between the interests of the individual and the interests of relevant communities.
     
     @aral