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1. Codeberg.org (codeberg@mastodon.technology)'s status on Monday, 10-Jan-2022 01:31:49 UTC Codeberg.org

   • adnan360
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   • Derek Taylor 🐧

   @adnan360
   We can't fully answer this, but we've once taken down leaked, proprietary Cloudflare code from our platform, and their blog article only says which free components they use, not that all they develop and deploy is free.

   About GitLab, the flagship instance is of course equipped with the EE version and some features are limited if you don't pay for it. The code it runs is still nonfree obviously, and IIRC some features do differ a little, but I don't have proof at hand currently.
   @james @derek

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   • adnan360@mas.to's status on Monday, 10-Jan-2022 08:04:10 UTC adnan360

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     @codeberg
     > The code it runs is still nonfree obviously…I don't have proof at hand currently.
     If this is the case, it should be easy to detect. By just comparing with GitLab CE features/code. (Or maybe I missed something?) Do you mean the difference is in the backend and cannot be seen on frontend? If this is true and there is proof, this should be talked about more.

     @james @derek

   • James Pearson :verified: (james@distrotoot.com)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 04:21:06 UTC James Pearson :verified:

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     @clacke @codeberg @adnan360 I just realized that since GitLab.com the service is proprietary, you don’t know whether or not they’re using CE or EE.

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 04:21:06 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @james @codeberg @adnan360 That's true, you can't really know what they're running behind the scenes, so you can't know how good the situation is.
     
     You can know how bad the situation is. Since they're offering non-core features you know it wouldn't be possible to provide the same service as theirs without using or reimplementing their proprietary code.
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 04:21:07 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     gitlab.com paid subscriptions offer EE features, so they're running EE.
     
     But then again, there isn't really a CE distribution. There is one repo, where a certain directory is not open source. If you don't buy the proprietary license that code will not be used. There is only one installer. GitLab is fuzzier than it used to be.
     
     about.gitlab.com/handbook/mark…
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 04:22:05 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     If you're only using core features, the philosophical and ideological question is: is it ethical to use their hosting as you could replicate them by self-hosting, or do you have objections such as the moral hazard that it's easy to enable non-free features, you're adding network effect to their hosting which has this moral hazard, you're providing legitimacy to their hosting, etc.
     
     @codeberg @adnan360 @james
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 13:37:53 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @adnan360 @codeberg @james Yes it is, yes they would and I agree there should be a "gitlabium".
   • adnan360@mas.to's status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 13:37:54 UTC adnan360

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     @clacke
     This is a bad decision that GitLab took. For example, even if framagit.org wanted to run only the open portion, without proprietary code, they'd still have to keep the proprietary codes there? Even if they don't run?

     There should be a libre fork of GitLab software without those proprietary parts. It's a mess.

     @codeberg @james

   • James Pearson :verified: (james@distrotoot.com)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 20:25:08 UTC James Pearson :verified:

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     @clacke @codeberg @adnan360 GitLabium, like Chromium and VSCodium. That being said, is there anything we need to remove from the Community Edition?

   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 20:25:08 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @james You mean even from the open source part of the code?
     
     @codeberg @adnan360
   • Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅 (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 21:03:13 UTC Santa Claes 🇸🇪🇭🇰🎅

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     @james For sure. Less of a kitchen sink, clear boundaries against the proprietary world. Gitea is great.
     
     @codeberg @adnan360
   • James Pearson :verified: (james@distrotoot.com)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jan-2022 21:03:14 UTC James Pearson :verified:

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     @clacke @adnan360 At the end of the day, while GitLab CE is open source, I still believe running #Gitea is more efficient than GitLab CE, and @codeberg is one of those instances.

   • adnan360@mas.to's status on Thursday, 13-Jan-2022 06:27:15 UTC adnan360

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     @james
     Agree. I use notabug.org and codeberg for most projects.

     One of the reasons I use GitLab.com for one of my projects is the Pages. When I moved away from GH there was no other alternative for Pages, didn't know of framagit.org. Codeberg didn't have Pages back then. Now moving again to a different service would mean changing urls everywhere. And the CB CI is fairly new and under testing, not ideal still.
     @clacke @codeberg

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   • adnan360@mas.to's status on Thursday, 13-Jan-2022 06:28:06 UTC adnan360

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     @james
     Yes. They kept CE and EE in the same project creating this mess.

     As @clacke said earlier:
     > …there isn't really a CE distribution. There is one repo, where a certain directory is not open source. If you don't buy the proprietary license that code will not be used. There is only one installer. GitLab is fuzzier than it used to be.

     Something tells me, this cleaning process can be automated. If this is the case, a libre version should definitely exist.

     @codeberg

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