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1. MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 08:16:28 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

   • fediverse
   • dansup
   Why would anyone want brands, companies and other crap in their _social_ feeds? Isn't the whole point of why people enjoy the !fediverse that it's _not_ like the asocial advertisement platforms?
   
   Let's not explicitly invite capitalism. Let them build their own damn tools.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 08:31:18 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • fediverse
     • dansup
     Yes, anyone can do what they please on their side of the !fediverse - I just think that power users and companies simply are incompatible with the federated structure and that tools for measuring e-penises is asocial and thus in vain.
     
     I also appreciate your work with Diogo but you should be well aware of my situation and our communication by now. I would prefer a somewhat more pleasant attitude than your above post. Thank you.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 11:53:04 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • fediverse
     • KMJ 🇦🇹
     @kmj Haha, wait what? When, where and how am I trying to censor the !fediverse? Please elaborate!
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 11:55:38 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Tom
     In this case the tools being designed are for analysis helping out to create the most impressionable posts etc. That's antisocial. Communication between humans should not strive to have the largest impact. Such behaviour is inherently detrimental.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 11:57:19 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Rysiekúr (old account)
     • Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅
     @bob @rysiek I'm pretty sure we can criticise and discuss companies - and they can be present to respond etc. - without analytical tools for their benefit (or power users who are only interested in maximising their reach and profit).
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 11:59:49 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • dansup
     @dansup Time to respond to statuses via a phone I am holding in my hand and looking at during the short amounts of free time I have: short.
     Time to review, analyse, test and possible fix/comment on merge requests: long.
     
     Time and energy available in @mmn's life and mind: little.
     
     Thank you very much.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 12:00:44 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • kris gnusocialch
     @kris Good for you! Not for the general population of the future.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 12:09:10 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Rysiekúr (old account)
     @rysiek Yeah my response was written regarding on the initial "I do this _for_ the brands and power users" post. .)
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 13:17:07 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • fediverse
     • Shellkr
     Yeah my point is that promoting statistics and analytics is a bad thing. Delayed posts etc. are other things that have veen discussed in the past. These "features" are not something that maintains a healthy social communication base.
     
     Of course anyone can implement this. I just don't think it benefits or otherwise contributes to humane social spaces.
     
     Bots are also an interesting topic of discussion that I think anyone developing for the !fediverse should put some thought and critical thinking into.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 16:51:39 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Shellkr
     Outreach != reachability. .]
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 22-Jul-2018 14:29:25 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅
     • dansup
     @dansup @bob I think this is a very interesting discussion. Just because we _can_, should we really do it? There are choices we can make to create a less competitive and more social space for people to enjoy. Just because there are statistics everywhere doesn't mean we have to buy into that paradigm. Just because classes in society exist today doesn't mean we need to maintain such a social order for all future.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 22-Jul-2018 14:30:08 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • Aadil Ayub
     @aadilayub https://quit.im is also pretty neat for sharing pictures.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 22-Jul-2018 14:32:25 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠

     • forteller
     @forteller I'm not entirely sure about the context of your post, but I just want to point out that what people think they want is not necessarily what they actually want/need. We don't have to be populistic if being so is counterproductive. More users is not an inherently good thing.
   • infinite love ⴳ (trwnh@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 22-Jul-2018 14:36:35 UTC infinite love ⴳ

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     • Bob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅
     • dansup

     @mmn @dansup @bob I think there's a difference between letting 3rd parties build tools vs. building them yourself and packaging them in by default.

     For example. some vain Instagram users download apps that show graphs of follows, unfollows, etc. But users have to seek those out and developers have to build those. Should the pixelfed project's official stance be to enable or encourage that use case? Implementation and design will matter.

     MMN-o ✅⃠ repeated this.
   • MMN-o ✅⃠ (mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se)'s status on Sunday, 22-Jul-2018 15:10:48 UTC MMN-o ✅⃠
     Aye, I can agree with the NC license. But then again, the source is available. I think it's something like https://github.com/hannesmannerheim/quitim