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1. Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 05:26:48 UTC Hallå Kitteh

   • Annah
   • M. Grégoire
   @maiyannah @mpjgregoire
   
   > originally designed essentially as a semi-centralized product
   
   [citation needed]
   
   OpenMicroBlogging was in from the get-go, by the time there were actual people on the platform, OStatus 0.x had already been formulated. (specified is a bit of a strong word)
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 05:31:10 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Annah
     • M. Grégoire
     @maiyannah @mpjgregoire
     
     > had a falling out with other contributors and decided to start over
     
     The way I remember it is that the set of contributors was more or less Evan, and he had a falling out with himself and felt the code base and protocol were broken beyond repair, and the only way to stop leaking money for identi.ca and *.status.net was to rip it out and put in something less complex, plus he had a bunch of second-system ideas he wanted to try out anyway.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 05:34:09 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Annah
     • M. Grégoire
     @maiyannah @mpjgregoire
     
     So you are not willing to take Evan at face value that the choices for identi.ca were:
     
     1. Keep leaking an unsustainable amount of Evan's own money.
     2. Close identi.ca forever.
     3. Spend a couple of months hacking something together that would allow identi.ca to run using less resources.
     
     ?
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 09:36:48 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Annah
     • Coco
     • M. Grégoire
     @lain @maiyannah @mpjgregoire I have certainly been in that kind of "aaaaah I can't handle this let's tear it all down" situation on occasion.
     
     I'm no mindreader and he didn't share the details of his thinking at the moment, but I think he was convinced that PHP and MySQL were both core to his performance and code quality issues and he just wanted to get out.
     
     Also, I thought pump.io solved some federation issues that I thought would be impossible to solve in GS incrementally, but which both Mastodon and Pleroma turned out to be able to improve on.
     
     
     Basically, he should have just written Pleroma instead of pump.io, but he didn't know it at the time. ;-)
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 12:49:48 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Annah
     • Coco
     • M. Grégoire
     @maiyannah @lain @mpjgregoire His contributors left because he wound down the company that was paying their salaries.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 13:05:52 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Annah
     • Coco
     • M. Grégoire
     @maiyannah @lain @mpjgregoire I have never been able to resist good commit log gossip. Thanks for the pointer.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 13:28:27 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Annah
     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw48a1 @maiyannah
     
     Our only disagreement is that I wasn't clear on were in time I was talking about. By the time Evan was working on pump.io, he had bought out the company and laid off the staff.
     
     At that point I thought he was the only SN contributor, but it seems I may have been wrong about this, or at least on all the reasons why.
     
     Also at that point the services were leaking his own money, so he was looking for a way out.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 13:30:18 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw48a1 Mainly that you would see a post on another instance and be able to share that post by logging into that instance, and federated private messages.
     
     But then pump.io *didn't* entirely solve the post fetching issue, as after you had shared to post, you still wouldn't (and still won't) be able to comment on it. :-(
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 13:31:28 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • LinuxWalt (@lnxw48a1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw48a1 The most glaring omissions were groups and the UI. He was hoping to get around to implementing groups, and that someone else would make an awesome UI.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 13:45:51 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • kat
     • Annah
     • M. Grégoire
     @kat @maiyannah @mpjgregoire And as noted, he did solve it. In a manner of speaking. :-D
   • solidarity with ppl in rojava (paulfree14@todon.nl)'s status on Monday, 29-Jan-2018 21:11:51 UTC solidarity with ppl in rojava

     • Annah
     • Coco
     • M. Grégoire

     @mpjgregoire @lain @clacke @maiyannah

     thx for the lesson on history about the #fediverse.
     thought that might be something great to add to the
     'peoples history of the fediverse'
     which @bob started some days ago.
     here:
     https://wiki.freedombone.net/view/welcome-visitors/view/a-peoples-history-of-the-fediverse

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