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@tms different use cases, no? En skriver saker. Jag skriver om den.
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Good luck to everyone at #34c3!
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@pettter "WHAT? WELL THERE'S NO CODE OF CONDUCT HERE, I CAN DOOOO WHAAAT IIII WAAAAAANT!" you mean?
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@pettter I wouldn't want to see you sign up on sealion.club or whatever.
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@verius It is also the norm in society to use name-calling, talk behind peoples' backs and cheat your way to the top. I wouldn't say the norms of society matches a proper code of conduct.
The code of conduct helps by having something to point at and saying "this is unacceptable". Where are your written down norms of society that are universally (or even locally) agreed upon? For example I agree that slapping people on the butt is generally frowned upon, but calling them inappropriate things or making up "funny" nicknames is part of this societal norm that you speak of.
Also, code of conducts are perhaps most useful as a starting ground for discussion. Put up a code of conduct, see who complains the loudest and about what. Identify and handle that problem (perhaps the person complaining, perhaps the overly naive/strict/irrelevant rule). Rinse and repeat.
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@verius I think you're very biased about what a code of conduct is. It's like you have some preset that can't be argued with.
Rules of engagement when it comes to groups of people are always beneficial. Whether they need to be written down or not depends on how diverse and/or tight each respective group of people is. Larger groups (think organisations etc.) definitely need a common baseline of conduct. If there are people in the group who can't accept that,(or the rules, assuming they're democratically decided) I guess they'll have to find somewhere else. There's no universal human right to hang out with people who don't like your behaviour.
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@verius I'm curious why you're so hell bent on using gender pronouns at all. What's the big deal?
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@verius I'm still not sure what's political about using gender pronouns matching the person you're about. I don't really think you explained that when @pettter asked.
Unless you mean political in the sense that "everything we do is political" and that people who stray from the societal norms of behaviour by default are radical political combatants. Even though that's just who they are and wish to be respected just as everyone else.
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Re: last point. The followup sentence hinted at maybe the loudest person _is_ the problem and should be handled accordingly. Not necessarily in a bad way, but if there's just one loud moron that makes everyone else stay quiet... That's probably the first issue to deal with. (Reasonable people won't fall in thia as trap and will argue their points rationally and leave the vore to the majority).
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@maiyannah I'm curious. Hos many (preferrably physical) places have you experienced the introduction of CoCs at? What kind of places were these and what was the most obvious "bad" rule? I'm thinking you might just have a low statistical basis for your statements and this would be interesting to compare with others who've hade bad experiences.
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"Den" is pretty common and imho better than "hen".
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@tomas en kanske skulle ta och skriva saker
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