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1. Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 02:48:27 UTC Hallå Kitteh
   If the Pope and the President of Turkey agree that you messed up, you're on pretty shaky ground.
   
   http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israel-jerusalem-reaction-20171206-story,amp.html
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 02:54:09 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     Even his friends-in-hairs BoJo expresses "concern".
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 03:13:48 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     Apparently moving the US embassy to Jerusalem was a campaign promise.
     
     https://social.heldscal.la/url/1045030
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 03:15:46 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     @partial Yes. That guy. And if he and Merkel and BoJo and May and Macron and the Pope agree on something, the other side is pretty far out there.
     
     (and Haaretz, and CNN, the NYT ...)
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 03:27:17 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     Now this is interesting. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act of 1995 was voted through with remarkable majority. Except that Congress doesn't set foreign policy, so three successive presidents have suspended the move on a half-year basis. And DJT suspended it in June.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 03:35:10 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw37a2 I didn't know until I saw it in the statement.
     
     https://social.heldscal.la/url/1045063
     
     > President Trump’s action enjoys broad, bipartisan support in Congress, including as expressed in the Jerusalem Recognition Act of 1995. This Act was reaffirmed by a unanimous vote of the Senate only six months ago.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 03:39:33 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw37a2 So the Conservative take on this is, it means nothing, it ratifies reality, and perhaps it will set things in motion.
     
     A bit like voting on Trump, I guess.
     
     Whereas the Social-Liberal take is that this upsets a delicate balance, gives unstable groups an excuse to act out, shifts the Overton window and may ruin everything.
     
     A bit like voting on Trump, I guess.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 05:19:04 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     @clacke Foreign Policy is a shared sphere of competence.  The Taiwan Relations Act and the United Nations Participation Act are examples.
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   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 05:20:54 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @clacke @lnxw37a2 My take is that a thoroughly broken paradigm is finally shifting without a clutch.  This may be a net good long run.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 05:22:27 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @clacke @lnxw37a2 Too many Big Deals meeting all Palestinian demands have been turned down.  It is time to shake things up on both sides.
   • Stephen Michael Kellat (alpacaherder@quitter.se)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 05:25:34 UTC Stephen Michael Kellat

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     • Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @clacke @lnxw37a2 Clinton got Arafat the Biggest Deal in 2000 and Arafat chose an Intifada instead.  A shakeup is overdue for all players.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 07:48:22 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Stephen Michael Kellat
     • Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @alpacaherder @lnxw37a2 Hey, maybe the powder keg will blow up, maybe it won't. Let's try it and see what happens!
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 07:53:39 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     • Stephen Michael Kellat
     • Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @alpacaherder @lnxw37a2 There are no deals meeting all Palestinian demands, because that would end the state of Israel. Maybe you meant all reasonable demands.
     
     For example, I believe, but I'm not sure, that some deals have offered land in exchange for not agreeing to the right of return, which is a non-negotiable no-no for the Israeli.
   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 07:54:39 UTC Hallå Kitteh

     • Stephen Michael Kellat
     • Linux Walt Alt (@lnxw37a2) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}
     @lnxw37a2 @alpacaherder There was West Germany, who did it to themselves.
   • Efraim Flashner (efraim@tooot.im)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2017 11:51:24 UTC Efraim Flashner

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     @clacke
     Palestinians, already discouraged over what they describe as a consistently pro-Israel stance by the United States, said Trump’s decision essentially killed any remaining peace hopes. Leaders called for three “days of rage” culminating after Friday prayers.
     Read: be prepared for 3 days of 'spontaneous terrorism' starting on Friday.

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