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1. Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Nov-2017 08:32:40 UTC Bob Mottram

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   @antanicus @animeirl as Eben Moglen said a couple of years ago, owning the network infrastructure is the final stage of monopoly control for companies like Facebook and Google. Once they control the services and the hardware then there is no escape from lock-in and pervasive spying for the end user. Taking back control over the network is a mostly unrealized project, but if new radio bandwidth becomes available for data then it might be possible. Trying to stop or delay corporate encroachment like FreeBasics is also worthwhile.
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   • Hallå Kitteh (clacke@social.heldscal.la)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Nov-2017 10:16:44 UTC Hallå Kitteh

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     Aahh, the good old days Moglen.
     
     https://softwarefreedom.org/events/2011/fosdem/moglen-fosdem-keynote.html
     
     > Federated, rather than centralized, microblogging, social networking, photo exchange, anonymous publication platforms based around cloudy webservers—We can do all of that.
     
     https://www.softwarefreedom.org/events/2012/freedom-to-connect_moglen-keynote-2012.html
     
     > We need Free Software, we need Free Hardware we can hack on, we need Free Spectrum we can use to communicate with one another, without let or hindrance. [ . . . ] I have spent some time and many people in this room, including Isaac have spent more time now, trying to make use of cheap, power efficient compact server computers, the size of AC chargers for mobile phones, which with the right software we can use to populate the net with robots that respect privacy.
   • Bob Mottram (bob@social.freedombone.net)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Nov-2017 12:13:38 UTC Bob Mottram

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     @animeirl Actually I think nationalizing the internet would be the worst possible solution. The Surveillance State already has its fangs in the internet, so putting it in charge of the internet would be likely to lead to some really bad outcomes.
     
     I'm more in favour of popular control of the internet, where individual users or collectives own their corner of the internet and federate with the rest. When nobody has overall control there are less likely to be abuses of the system - rather like a Nash equilibrium.
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